If you work as a manufacturing facilities engineer,
installing a new piece of equipment can be as complex as the machinery itself.
From prep work to alignment and testing, it's your team's job to put it all together.
That's why it's good to have Grainger on your side.
With industrial-grade products and next-day delivery,
Grainger helps ensure you have everything you need close at hand
through every step of the installation.
Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click Grainger.com, or just stop by.
Grainger, for the ones who get it done.
Work today moves fast, but Monday.com is here to help with their work management product.
It's built for more than just marketing teams.
It connects entire organizations to bridge the gap between strategy and execution.
Plus, with built-in AI capabilities, your team can work smarter, not harder.
Maximize your marketing impact with the first work product you and your team will love to use.
Visit us at Monday.com to learn more.
I'm Mike Boris, and this is Straight Talk.
You've got a great voice.
I actually said, I think you're the Matthew McConaughey of Australia.
Someone told me my voice puts them to sleep.
I've had a few people say, no, that's not good.
You should do those nice meditation talks.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, can we just gather your thoughts for a moment?
Sounds a bit creepy.
A different in terms of probably, like you said, yin and yang.
We actually have yin and yang tattoos.
What do young men tend to do wrong when it comes to dating?
Oh, they're all swing, no ding.
What's that mean?
Lucy Jackson and Nicky Westcott.
How would I fuck it up so early?
Welcome to Straight Talk, guys.
Lucy Jackson and Nicky Westcott.
How would I fuck it up so early?
Welcome to Straight Talk, guys.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for having us.
Yeah, we feel very honoured to be here.
Yeah, we're very chuffed.
I'm very honoured.
You're a bit of a big dog.
Well, I heard you guys actually didn't fly down to see me.
You flew down to come to watch Dana White sort of rip into the media
and have a really great time at the UFC.
I heard you guys are partying at the UFC big time.
It's basically true.
We're kind of just here to really support Dana White.
I don't watch the UFC at all, to be honest.
We were just chatting about it off air before and we were like,
what actually happened with the Australian media?
Yeah, well, they went off.
They went off and they're going to go off about this too, don't worry,
because it's going to be a big deal.
Nah, totally, totally.
Something tells me not so much.
So you guys are Gold Coast based?
Have you always, you're both from, you were born up there?
No, we were both born in North, well, we're both from North Queensland.
North Queenslanders.
So I'm from near Cairns.
And I grew up at Mount Isa.
And I used to have a branch, a yellow big road branch at Mount Isa
and I had one in Cairns as well.
And I remember I'd never been.
I'd never been to Mount Isa and I flew out to Mount Isa
and I thought I'd better go see the branch owner out there.
And I flew out to Mount Isa and, like, I got the shock of my life.
There's a town in the middle that you're flying on.
It's all, like, full desert looking shit.
It's meant to be the biggest city in the world.
And I'm like, I don't know how you've.
That's what it is in, like, the world, like, Guinness Book of Records
because of, like, the square meterage of what it is.
In terms of the tents and number of people who live in that small area?
No, it's something to do with, like, the land size.
I don't know how they got away with it, but obviously being from Mount Isa,
that's something you'd absolutely scream from the rooftop.
Well, you know what?
Technicality, for sure.
I stayed at the local pub there.
And so I stayed upstairs, okay.
So, like, and I remember I went to, I did all my work
and I took the guys for dinner and I think I ran into Bob Catter's son.
I had dinner with him, actually.
I had dinner with him.
And this was before he was a politician.
And, well, maybe he just started up.
This was a few years ago.
Anyway, I go to bed about 9.30 or something like that.
I had a couple of beers, go to bed.
And I heard, like, noise downstairs, like, full noise.
Like, I thought, what the fuck?
I put my gear back, go and walk downstairs.
And the biggest brawl you've ever seen in your life.
And I'm standing there at the top step.
And I'm just ripping into it.
It was spilled out onto the street and everything.
It's actually crazy.
It's quite normal.
Like, I've seen some wild situations growing up there, obviously.
And I don't think you realise, you know, how outback it is until you've lived.
In a metropolitan area for years.
And because, you know, I was born and bred there.
So, for me, I was just like, oh, yeah, there's a scrap at lunchtime.
The teachers just kind of let them rip and just contain the students
because you don't get involved.
You know, it was just like.
I thought how good.
I mean, I love it.
Like, it's old school.
Dana should be out there.
Yeah, it was so good.
I thought how good.
But it was like, it spilled out on the street and everything.
It was like, it's just.
But nothing bad was happening.
It wasn't like guys pulling knives or whatever.
It was just punch on.
But I thought it was pretty cool.
And another thing I found was really interesting about it, too,
was that on a per capita basis or something like that,
that there's more people who own jet skis and Hiluxes in Mount Isa
than anywhere other parts of Australia.
Where do you ride a jet ski out there?
It gets dry sometimes.
But, no, Lake Moondahra always had a bit of water in it to some extent.
Because obviously they make big money working in the mines and stuff like that.
You know, they get paid well.
Well, what are we going to buy?
I'll go buy a jet ski.
Or there's jet ski distributors up there.
Like the Toyota dealership over there kills it.
Oh, Toyota is just like going off.
These small towns are deceiving because I grew up in Tully,
which is like a small town near Cairns.
And apparently this statistic came from my mum,
which she's been known to fudge numbers.
Might need to fact check that one.
But apparently there's more millionaires per capita in Tully
than there is in any other town in Australia.
But you wouldn't know it when you walk through.
Banana and cane farming, yeah.
Lots of jet skis.
Probably more jet skis there, I'd say.
So Tully is how far out of Cairns?
So you're not really from Cairns?
I'm from a really small town called Mission Beach.
I've heard of Mission Beach.
Maybe get to meet someone there because I don't know what I heard about it.
But what is Mission Beach?
Is it an actual beach area?
It's a really beautiful, like, little part of the coast.
Dunk Island is just across, so you've got, like, island views.
Tell him the story about when the cassowary went into your house.
I've seen them up there.
Yeah, the cassowary.
It was, like, morning.
Cassowary signs everywhere.
Those are the things that are hard to see on the top of your head.
Yeah, you let the blue necks.
So cassowaries are everywhere.
Like, one time one was, like, literally, like, strolling into my house
and my little tiny dog ran out.
And because we have really slippery tiles and we were always in and out
of the pool, so there was water all over the veranda
and the cassowary, like, fully slipped over as my dog started chasing.
Like, dangerous animal.
But, no, yeah, it's just similar to Mount Isa but just on the coast, I guess.
See, that's interesting that the two of you are on the Gold Coast
and you're in business together, which we'll talk about in a second,
but you sort of come from similar backgrounds,
sort of pretty good old-school Aussie backgrounds,
like no plum in your mouth sort of thing.
Farming, mining kind of, yeah.
Well, we met in Townsville going to uni in Townsville.
That's when we moved to the big small town.
Oh, you both moved?
You both moved to uni at about the same age?
We were a year apart, so we studied together at uni.
What did you guys study?
But did you want to do a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Commerce
or Bachelor of Economics or something like that?
It was a Bachelor of Business.
Bachelor of Business.
And then I had a major in marketing, but then I wasn't ready
to kind of join the real world, so we always laugh about it.
I dabbled in a post-grad arts, whatever that meant.
Well, we were working together at Red Bull at the time
and the conditions of being in, like, the Red Bull marketing team
was that you had to be at uni and when Nicky was like,
coming to the end, I was like, you've got to do another, like,
Masters or something so that we don't have to stop working together.
I just wasn't ready to, yeah.
So that's interesting.
So Red Bull goes to the universities like the university you both are at
and says, look, we're going to recruit some marketing people
out of the university as an organisation,
someone who's actually learning about marketing.
To give you, like, an opportunity to kind of.
It was amazing working at Red Bull because we were studying marketing
and, you know, like, you're obviously,
you're obviously so green but your ideas are just crazy
and they would just give you, like, a platform.
Like, we'd go down for, like, consumer colleges,
we'd call them, like, four times a year and basically they'd just be like,
go to all of us, like, uni kids and go, give us your craziest ideas,
And then they'd kind of.
What would the crazy idea be about?
So they've got to give you context.
So obviously it's about promoting Red Bull or the cars.
Yeah, or it'd be like, we want to target, you know,
this demographic at this time, like, around this event,
what would you do?
And then, you know, something.
Ideas would be like, you could get a chopper and rent a rooftop
and kidnap people and take them to the, like, it was just wild.
There were, like, no boundaries of what, like, we could or couldn't do.
And it was always really cool because you'd start off with the ideas,
like, crazy, crazy, crazy out here.
But then in a year's time we'd be doing something not far off it.
So is there anything that you girls did or did in your career,
your own business, the business together, that you actually borrowed
from those periods when you suggested things to Red Bull?
Well, not, we have a fashion label, so, like,
quite a different product to a can of Red Bull.
But definitely we learnt the kind of foundations of marketing from there.
And I think it kind of instilled this, I guess,
drive in us that kind of anything is possible if you really want to.
So I think one thing we really took from Red Bull was, like,
with Red Bull they really invest in people early on.
You know, like, they'll see someone with talent and, you know,
grow that person.
And, you know, that person might end up being Mick Fanning, for example.
So I feel like with us we've always kind of, like,
wanted friends of the brand that even though they might not be, like,
the biggest, hottest person in the world right then,
if you kind of, like, stay with them on the journey,
they're usually pretty loyal.
That's in your journey.
Oh, like our brand journey.
So we have an individual brand.
So you were influencers.
Together, though.
We did that together.
We refused to go.
I'm so glad we do it together.
It would be so boring to do it on your own.
But before all your podcasts and your fashion label
and your booze label, like.
We worked separately.
You did work separately.
Well, we worked at Red Bull.
Then we graduated uni and we both had individual, like,
Nikki worked in advertising.
I worked in fashion.
Because that's where I want to go.
So where did you go after uni and after the Red Bull experience?
Let's start with Nikki.
So I went down to Brisbane, got my first ever, you know, real job.
I think I was on.
I think I was on $35,000 a year.
Big, big biggies.
And yeah, working in advertising and obviously being a part of that.
It was like before digital advertising was as big as it was.
So the old school advertising, you know.
Old school, outdoor, billboards, like those little mobile billboard things,
promo teams, like all that sort of stuff.
Like every weekend Nikki would be stressing because she'd have to have the phones
because all the girls out on the little scooters and stuff.
Because I'd manage like a team of, you know, 60 people out doing, you know,
10 different campaigns.
It was actually the worst, to be honest.
That character building.
And yeah, so I did that for years.
But you two keep being in contact with each other?
Yeah, we lived together.
Oh, we lived together.
But you went to Brisbane too then?
I actually moved to Sydney.
Well, I moved to Brisbane.
Brisbane, then we lived together for six months there.
And then she moved to Sydney.
Then I got offered a job in Sydney.
But we were still best friends.
We still spoke every day.
But were you running your own sort of individual sort of when Instagram came out,
did you start running your own individual stuff?
We made a joint one together.
From the beginning.
Like we always had separate pages.
Yeah, I mean, we've always had a personal Instagram to like talk to your mum and stuff.
Yeah, that's private property.
We didn't really look at those as like a business opportunity.
Whereas when we started our joint one together, we did it ahead of a music festival because
we were kind of like, oh, you can get a few free clothes, whatnot.
So we kind of went into that with the intentional mind of this could become something.
But you actually used the joint Instagram account to try and manipulate your way into
No, we were still buying our tickets.
We used to always go to festivals.
Yeah, we were big festival girls.
But I was working down here for a fashion label at the time.
And it was when Instagram was just kind of starting.
And so I was like sending out essentially clothes to girls similar to Nikki and I at
And I was like, why don't we do this and get free clothes?
And so that's what we did.
So you're sending stuff out from the fashion label saying, would you like to wear this?
Would you be prepared to wear this?
It was in the kind.
It was more so time of like old school bloggers and like that real old school PR.
Like we would be sending out like boxes of clothes to Dolly magazine and Cosmo and they'd
be putting them in the like editorial shoots and stuff.
It was just like a different time in marketing back then.
But then Instagram kind of started growing and I was like, why don't we get free clothes
too and just try it?
And so that's kind of exactly what we did.
And that's kind of how it started.
So it wasn't some idea that, oh, let's get into business and like we're going to ride
It was more like, why don't we just have a crack at this ourselves?
Why am I giving shit away to other people when we can get a bit of this stuff ourselves?
And do it together too.
Because we were like, oh, it's so much more fun together.
And we weren't living at the same place either.
So you were in Brisbane at this stage and you were in Sydney at this stage.
So because what is this thing that you always wanted to be together?
Like what's this?
Maybe you can explain the friendship.
I don't actually know either.
It's just funner together.
Like it's, and we've, you know, now that our career,
together has kind of spanned like 10 years,
we always look at other people in the industry that do this individually.
And even now as like, you know, in our mid thirties, we're like, wow,
we're still so glad we do it together because it's just, it's more fun.
It feels less personal.
You know, when you're having a hard day, you've got someone to share the load with.
When you're having a good day, you've got someone to celebrate with.
And you're going away for events.
And stuff, you're, you're going together.
It's like just more fun.
And if someone is, and if someone's holding a, a convention or some sort of thing like that,
you don't have to turn up your own.
Cause you walk in a room.
Cause that's funny, I had to go to a thing the other night, you know, in the financial services
industry and I'm sort of well known, but like in that, in that game.
But I walked in, it's the first thing, first time being in one for years, I just had to go
because I was sort of not pressured, but I was expected to be there.
And there was a release of report and I walked in the room and I thought, my God, I'm going to go to a
They all know me, a lot of people here know me, but I don't know anyone.
And you know that shitty feeling you've got to think.
It's very humbling.
I've got to walk up and say, oh, hi, how are you going?
And walk in, cause there are little groups everywhere.
And you're thinking, now which group am I going to walk into and say hello to?
I still get a bit of, um, like anxiety over that.
So if you're together, we're just rocking together and you make your own little group.
And you say, do you want to join us?
It's just so much funner.
Like I literally get to go and have all of these opportunities with my best friend.
And it's just way, way better in my opinion.
No offence, Mark.
I know you're doing it on your own, but it's just like, you know.
Someone's got to do it.
It's a much funner journey.
And I think it's also one of those things as well.
Like I would way rather have us been doing it together than, you know, like I guess trying to individually like do things that were similar.
You know what I mean?
Like imagine if we were like competing for jobs and stuff, how awkward that would be when we can just do it together.
But I'm trying to work out.
We could be together like as friends, like business is one thing.
And I know how I'm in business.
I don't know if I could be in business with a friend because I get a bit sort of not mean, but I can be a bit direct.
So you've got to have a bit of yin and yang or whatever they like to call it.
Like who's the, who's, I don't know which one is which, but who's, you're the direct one.
What makes you think that?
Well, I'll tell you what makes me.
Because when you were talking right at the very beginning, you were sitting there just, oh, I want to speak.
Her eyes were opening up like this and I'm thinking, like, I've got to let her in, let her in.
No, seriously, no, that's it.
Always go to her with the first question.
I'm also very talkative.
But I'll shut up now and you can just talk.
We'll just keep going.
How do you manage that process though?
Because, you know, sometimes you wake up in the morning, you feel crap, either one of you or both of you for that matter.
You might say, I just don't feel like doing this today with my bestie.
We've had todays like that.
But do you just communicate to each other?
How do you work it?
Oh, we're very, I know if she's got a tummy ache.
You just know from.
Well, everyone does.
Oh, we tell each other.
Because I tell everyone.
I don't have any secrets.
So is it about that though?
Is it about communication, communicating and being like super honest?
I think as well, like we have, well, we've met as friends.
But started working together straight away for Red Bull.
So we always knew we had a good working dynamic.
And probably work ethic as well.
You know, like there's not one that.
She's not working harder than me and I'm not working harder than her.
No, we're both kind of very much have that same kind of, yeah, ethic behind us, which is very lucky.
And what about other ethics?
Like outside work ethics?
Like, I don't want to hate, not moral ethics, but, you know, like just general ethics.
Like what you think is cool, what you think is acceptable, what you think is not acceptable.
Well, like you said at the beginning, Mark, we kind of grew up in a very similar way.
You know what I mean?
Like we, we're both from North Queensland.
We both come from like average families.
Like we weren't loaded, but we weren't, you know, like scraping together to make ends meet kind of thing.
I think we had a very similar outlook.
If, if my mum and Nikki's mum were in the same room, they're kind of, they've got a similar value system.
Even like me with her family.
We're all very close.
She's really close with my family.
My nieces and nephews call her auntie.
Like, it's just kind of like.
You sort of, we just sort of grew together.
And have you got brothers and sisters?
I have two sisters.
She has two brothers.
And do they sort of say, do they make fun of you and sort of say, well, you've got your other sister here?
Like I'm like literally part of Nikki's family.
Like she got married recently and I was like at the house.
I stayed with them when Nikki wasn't even there.
I just stayed with Nikki's family.
And like my brothers think of Nikki as a sister for sure.
And you got married.
You got married recently.
And yourself, Lucy.
I am not married.
But it's kind of good.
Putting it out there.
No, because you're putting it out there.
Because we've got a lot of young men listening to this show.
Take that girl on a date.
You won't regret it.
But yeah, no, it's, it is a good, we are just similar.
We're different, but we're similar.
We're different in terms of probably, like you said, yin and yang.
This is so cringe.
We actually have.
We actually have yin and yang tattoos.
We got them after a hash cookie and Amsterdam.
No, I have never seen anything, right?
I just made that up, yin and yang.
But anyway, I don't even know what it stands for.
It's just like we've got different personalities, but we have the same core values and work
And like, I guess, creative vision.
We have like very similar ideas in that space.
Like, it just kind of works.
We've never really had any huge, like between the two of us, we've never had, there's never
been a time where I've been like, oh, Nikki's vision for this is so off or vice versa.
Like, it's kind of pretty similar.
You should never, you ever have had massive blues?
Like you've never had a real big blue?
We've had some fights.
I feel like if we hadn't had a blue in this long, it'd be like, I'll be robots.
She's a man of eyes, girl.
Yeah, she'll be fine.
They put it out on the street.
I reckon I'd be squashed.
No, but if anyone's going to fight anyone, I'd fight someone to protect you.
I reckon she'd absolutely.
She could be in the UFC.
I'm not an MMA fighter or something.
Like, this is how I think about it.
When we're at festivals or like concerts or whatever, she chucks me on her shoulders and
we're not just there like watching for a view.
She's there like got me up and down.
And I have zero core strength.
It's flopping all over the place.
I almost got into a fight at a festival once.
Remember with that chick when she stole my friend's hat?
She's like, I'm getting that feeling.
We have a good set up.
Did you train together?
Train, like as an exercise?
Not anymore, just because we don't live in like the same suburbs.
But yeah, we have before.
But you both live in the Gold Coast.
But you live in, now you're married, you're sort of, you're obviously living with your
We did live together.
We were living together for a while before that.
We lived together for almost 10 years, Nicky and I.
Did you feel like third wheel?
I didn't live with Nicky's partner now.
This was before him.
But no, we have lived together as well as worked together, as well as been best friends.
Were you like on the bridal party and all that sort of stuff?
What did she say in the speech?
Did she give you up?
Was she like, what is it?
I thought she was kooked on one word.
Oh, and I had Camilla yelling in my ear, box breathe, box breathe.
I was like, this is my, I'm stimming so hard right now.
Were you nervous?
I was really nervous.
She'd also, she was also having a good time.
Champagne or vodka?
Well, we were up at 6am on the first mimosas, you know.
Drinking from the, yeah.
That our wedding planner gave us, mind you.
I was like, Tasha, you had to keep me on the straight and narrow.
No, we, I had a very, like Claire was up, our manager was at the wedding.
Like we, I had a very fun, loving, everyone was in a.
I had a pretty loose wedding.
But in a good way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she got up to do her speech and she actually had made like a little rhyme to start it,
which was quite thoughtful.
You did a little ditty, did you?
It's like when we read out ads for the podcast, for example, she'll be like.
Like she just cannot get it out.
And this started happening.
And dyslexia, I feel like is probably on the cards as well.
And this started happening and I'm there like, go loose, you can do it.
And she's like, bleh.
Like you literally could not get past this one word.
But everyone just had a laugh.
Yeah, but it didn't feel like that.
It was a tongue twister.
It didn't feel that bad because.
It was very casual.
It was just, you know, everyone's speeches were pretty loose and fun.
You know, like it's not like there was.
It didn't feel like.
Your typical wedding where the speeches are really stiff.
But it's, I guess it's on video though.
I haven't got it back yet, but it would be.
I got sent it after, but I can't watch.
I want to watch it.
This could be a whole episode.
This could be a whole episode of your show, of your podcast.
Because everyone's like, how was, you know, Lucy's speech?
And I was like, good.
Well, you're different.
Not what you'd expect.
But it was just funny, you know.
You know when you do things and you can't watch it back?
Like we did this live stream once that got really out of hand.
And I just cannot bring myself to watch it back.
That's what I feel about your wedding speech.
Yeah, because like I can't watch myself back.
Like it's, well, is that what I sound like?
Do I sound like that?
Is that my voice?
No, you've got a great voice.
Yeah, you've got a great voice.
I actually said, I think you're the Matthew McConaughey of Australia.
Someone told me my voice puts them to sleep.
I've had a few people say that.
No, that's not good.
You're supposed to listen all the way through.
Because you want Spotify to say, listen for the whole 45 minutes.
I don't want to say fell asleep after 10 minutes.
You should do those nice.
Those meditation talks.
Box breathe maybe.
Just gather your thoughts for a moment.
Sounds a bit creepy.
So let's just talk about your businesses.
So let's talk about your first.
I do want to talk about who is Jackson West.
So that's a booze brand.
Yeah, it's a wine.
So what are we talking about?
It's an actual wine?
Like your own wine label.
So where do you get your wine?
There's not a lot of wine up where you guys come from.
Well, Gold Coast maybe, but not up north in Queensland.
No, we get it all produced in Melbourne.
Bottled in Melbourne.
So where are the grapes coming from?
Down near like Yarra Valley.
So what type of wine are we talking about?
Red, white, Pinot's?
It's like a red blend.
So it's a blend of Shiraz and I don't even know what the other one is.
I don't even know what the other one is.
Well, because the reason I asked this question is.
We actually got asked this the other day and I was like, I don't know, but it tastes delicious.
Basically, we were like our target.
Our target market aren't wine connoisseurs, nor do they probably love a red like we do.
We need to give them like an entry level red.
So how much are we talking about?
20 odd bucks or something for a bottle?
Because you buy it in a packet, sorry.
We're just online.
So because this is the, in a business sense, this is your very typical, I've got an audience,
you guys got an audience, we're going to have a product because like it's hard to commercialise
I mean, you can get some ads and stuff like that, but actually hard to really commercialise.
Like get to everybody.
You've got to find the product that suits your audience.
So what sort of research do you guys do?
How do you work out, you know, our audience would like to get a bottle of red wine for
25 bucks a bottle or a pack of three?
We kind of just model it off literally like ourselves when we were our audience's age.
Like we, you know, we were always just think about kind of what we were doing when we were
25, what we were wearing.
Because our biggest brand, I guess, that we own is a bottle of red wine.
That would be our biggest one.
But yeah, we kind of just do, we really just use ourselves as we are our own customer.
Because Jagger & Stone came first.
That was our first business.
And then the podcast.
So Jagger & Stone's the clothing.
The clothing label.
I'll come back to that in a sec.
So Jagger & Stone came first.
So that's your first.
So you had a product before you had your podcast audience.
So you must have had an audience then.
So we started initially doing Instagram together.
So what was your audience like in terms of Instagram?
Festivals, parties.
Like we would go to festivals and wear these crazy matching outfits.
That would be, that was like kind of our thing.
Like in color or like same.
All different brands.
But like, you know, I guess we were kind of more known for those like crazy prints and
And that's kind of how we initially grew our audience.
And then we started Jagger & Stone.
When we kind of decided.
We decided to leave our jobs to commit full time to, I guess, pursuing our own thing together.
And then about a year later, the podcast started.
Not too long ago, running a business looked a lot different.
A good location and a solid reputation were enough to keep a customer base happy.
No websites, no social media, no SEO, just old school networking and persistence, of
But times have changed.
In today's digital world, your business needs more than just a great product.
It needs visibility.
That's where Squarespace comes in.
Whether you're just getting started or expanding your brand, it's the all-in-one platform that
makes building and managing your online presence simple.
With Blueprint AI, creating a professional, customized website takes just a few clicks.
Plus, powerful tools like automated client invoicing, online courses, and memberships
help you generate revenue effortlessly.
So you can focus on growing your business instead of juggling logistics.
Head to squarespace.com forward slash mentored for a free trial.
And when you're ready to launch, use offer code mentored, M-E-N-T-O-R-E-D, to save 10%
off your first purchase of a website or a domain.
Epic views, waterfall mists, summit sunsets.
It's all better outside.
And with all trails, you can discover the best of nature with over 450,000 trails around
Download the free app today and find your next adventure.
And then it's just kind of gone from there.
So I'm actually pretty intrigued by this, that process.
It's sort of in reverse of the sort of process most other people do.
They go out and do a podcast, they create an audience, and they say, building a product,
and they sell the product to the audience.
Whereas you had a product, then you build a podcast.
So, but if I just go back, let's just move the wine thing aside for a second.
But I do want to talk about wine because I have a whiskey business and like, you know,
I'm always interested in why people do booze.
Because we like to drink.
Yeah, I do it for no reason other than my dad loved.
And, uh, and I don't know if that's really a very good business reason.
Um, it's done all right.
It's a good product.
I don't make any fucking money out of it though.
Like, uh, made nothing.
Like, uh, by the time the government takes their exercise duty and all that other shit,
I get it distributed.
You know, you've got to put it in a box, a nice box, send it off.
You know, you make about 10 bucks a bottle.
I'm selling for 200.
I'm making like, well, maybe it might be a bit more than that, but I get to make about
10 bucks a bottle.
It's really not worth it.
$200 for the whiskey.
Sounds like a good drop.
That's a premium.
Well, one Australian, I should say.
Australia's best single malt, two years in a row.
Oh, look at that straight down the barrel with that one.
Straight down the barrel.
Might have to try it on the road.
But it's still like, it's hard to make money out of these things.
And I'm just, I'm sort of curious as to how you go about it.
Like, why did you decide to have a product?
To be honest, our wine's in a bit of like a transition period at the moment.
We just kind of bought out our business partners.
Oh, you see, because you've got to go in with someone who can do it.
It's not like you're going to be there jumping on the grapes and picking grapes and stuff
No, although we would.
Yeah, although we actually haven't done that one before.
I tell you what, that would be good, good image, like a good content for you actually,
jumping on and down the grapes.
So we'd always spoken about it in the background and then, because we were like, it's the most,
it's the product that makes the most sense for us.
We drink wine, Target Market drink wine.
Like, we drink a lot of wine.
Like on the show?
Or just in general?
Not really on the show.
Actually, we did recently.
When we drink on the show, it's bloody hilarious.
We should do it more, to be honest.
You should have your own bottle of wine.
Well, we used to, when we first started the podcast, we used to drink when we recorded
a lot, like all the time.
And then, yeah, it just kind of got a little bit rogue and I was like, I just can't also
be drinking this much at work.
I think we also didn't really realise how many people would start listening.
So we were like, all right, let's clean it up a bit, shall we?
Because there's that, like, there's a group of girls, which is Jane Lu and Jane George,
Oh, like Minor Drink.
Bitches Drinking Wine.
They've got a huge audience.
Massive audience.
And they hold functions and they do drink wine.
Like, that's a wine and cheese kind of thing.
And they get live and they also get, like, in person and they also get, like, people
And that's pretty cool.
I've spoken at a few of those events.
And I, because Jane George is, I know Jane through various other places, but Jane George
is a good friend of one of my sons.
They went to uni together or something like that.
And that's a great, it's a great little business.
It is really cool.
I'm actually in their Facebook group and it goes off.
But yeah, we, what was the question with the wine?
Well, we had, we wanted to start it and then we found the right people to start it with.
Someone to supply the wine.
They already have, like, another alcohol brand.
So it was kind of just, like, felt very fitting.
But then, blessings for them, they actually ended up selling their business and got out
So you're going to be on with someone else?
Well, so then we just.
Kind of, like, decided to buy them out.
So at the moment, with the wine, it is in, like, a bit of a transitional phase.
So the two of you, you've sort of become business, you know, probably not force, but
just through, you know, circumstances, you've become business people.
Like, you're no longer influencers doing marketing and blah, blah, blah, like, trying
to work out what dress to wear to a festival or something.
You're now in the guts of business, like, you know, buying people out, getting documents.
Briefing lawyers.
Got a couple of trusts hanging around.
Yeah, a few bank accounts.
Company structures.
Like, you know, corporate structures.
You know, like, what's the best structure to have?
Should I have a family trust or a partnership between the two of you?
Or is it a company or dividends and blah, blah, blah.
How's that shit feel?
So much learning all the time.
Like, we have a lot of, like, we've learned a lot over the years, but honestly, there's
always still so much more to learn.
But I guess one thing we have had the same accountants.
Since WordGo, which is helpful because we can kind of, like, rely on them for business
advice and stuff.
That just reminds me.
Pay your tax bill, bro.
I forgot to sign something really important the other day.
That just reminded me literally then.
But that's a big transition.
Like, and I'm not trying to pigeonhole you, but like, two girls who did a degree in marketing
and good creators, very good in the creative game.
All of a sudden, you start.
Getting overwhelmed, not overwhelmed, overtaken by the amount of administration you got to
do when you're in business.
There's a lot of fucking administration.
I'll tell a good story about what the first time I realized we were kind of, like, getting
a bit businessy is when we were trying to buy our, one of our warehouses.
So we've got, we actually just sold one, but it was one that we just sold.
So we were trying to buy a third.
So basically we bought the warehouses that Jagger and Stone are now in.
Like our office space.
Next one, next door, we came up for sale.
And so we always said we want to be, you know, second rite of passage, whatever, to get in
Anyway, so sure enough, it comes to us and we were kind of like going back and forth
And I said, oh, yeah, this rate, like this is a price, blah, blah, blah.
So we're in the background setting up all our trusts and I spoke to the real estate
and I said, listen, I'm away.
Can this wait till Monday?
And he goes, I'll check with the seller.
You girls are good for Monday.
Anyway, so it comes Monday, midday.
You've taken too long.
We're taking it to market, 50 grand more starting price.
And then we just go, sorry.
And I was like, oh, my God, rattled.
And I went back through my messages with him and I said.
Because we were like, you told him that we need it until Monday.
Then you start second guessing things.
And I was like, oh, my God, I need to look.
And I looked and sure enough, he'd agreed to saying Monday.
And I just went, I don't know.
And then he calls me.
Yeah, look, you know, things have changed, blah, blah, blah.
Lucy just grabs the phone.
I don't know how the fuck you do business, but this isn't it, mate.
And just served it to him.
He's like a six-year-old real estate agent that's been in the game for so long.
And I was just like, I don't know how you run your business, Giles,
but this isn't it.
You said we've got it in writing that you said we had until Monday.
Take the money and call it a day.
And so he goes, I'm going to have to talk to the sellers.
I'm going to have to talk to the sellers.
She goes, yeah, well, call me back.
And he calls back.
He goes, well, girls, I don't know how, but you've done it.
They've agreed to the price.
All these ridiculous terms, which we were like, game on.
And he goes, his final thing was, well, I don't know you that well,
but I think you'll go far in business.
Hey, I was an idiot anyway.
Sorry, Giles, if you're listening.
But the process of that process of becoming like tough enough to negotiate
with real estate agents aren't easy to negotiate with,
especially older ones that have that experience have done about a million deals.
They've seen every response.
The market started booming.
So fair enough, they probably could have got more for it, but I was like, well,
this is a this shits in writing.
Yeah, because, because as soon as you said it, as soon as you were mentioning
that process, I thought to myself, if I was a real estate agent, I would have
said to my client, the vendor, I would have said to the vendor, listen, these
women, they definitely want to buy this place.
So why don't we just tell them that there's an, you can have for another 50.
Yeah, that's kind of what they were, I guess, low-key doing.
Yeah, yeah, but then do you feel really comfortable
that Lucy is the sort of person who will jump all over?
So could you happily hand her the phone to her?
No, so I was talking to him because I do a lot of the I'm on email admin girl.
I don't like that.
She comes in when we need the big bad wolf to blow.
And so it's kind of been part of that.
To be honest, I never had any intention of actually getting that angry,
but I was, like, genuinely pissed off.
I was like, that's so not play on to, like, give people a deadline
and then pull it away from them.
And, you know, I was having that conversation then.
I was like, well, Giles, I don't really understand.
Like, I'm looking at the messages now.
You said it would be fine.
Sounds like a butler, Giles.
We've been working.
Bloody hell, Giles.
We've been working tirelessly in the background to set up all this stuff
and blah, blah, blah, and then Lucy just had enough.
She goes, Giles, it's Lucy.
So you've got two warehouses now.
We just sold one.
We just sold one.
Yeah, but we still have two, technically.
But you haven't settled, is what you're saying?
No, we have settled on that one.
So basically there was three that we owned,
but we take up two that they made into one.
And warehouses are used for your stock?
Is that what you're doing?
Or just your office as well?
We actually run our stock out of a 3PL now.
Just for, like, less work, like, staff, really.
Yes, I want to get on to the staff thing.
So, like, how many people have you got working for you guys now?
There's about seven of us that work full time.
Is that in the fashion brand?
That's the fashion brand, yeah.
Or one of them kind of, I guess, is an assistant to us.
So she might do a few different bits and bobs for us.
She might do podcast-y stuff or whatever.
But just in the fashion brand, yeah, there's six and a half.
In the fashion brand.
But what about everything else, like overall?
Podcast, everything else?
Well, those teams are kind of, like, external.
Because the SCA, we are with SCA.
Oh, you're with SCA.
You're on Listener?
So, just so people know, so what SCA do, they'll produce it for you.
They'll actually find the guests.
Do you have guests sometimes?
So, they'll find a guest.
They'll produce it for you.
They'll cut it up.
And then they'll distribute it for you.
And then they'll also find the advertisers.
And you do a profit share or a revenue share type deal.
And then we're also on the radio, which is under SCA as well, on the Hit Network.
So, you guys have got a radio show?
I've been up in, you're on Hit, are you?
That's just what we're on.
Friday, Saturday night.
So, it's actually pre-recorded or you're actually on?
I'm not spending my Saturday night at the radio.
So, you're not doing country and western or something like that, are you?
What are you doing?
It's just kind of like a bit of a lot of pop.
It's just like top 40 stuff.
We don't actually choose the music, which I really feel like we need to preface that
because people are like, my-
Is that your song?
We don't let Taylor Swift that much.
My Korean cleaner, I've got a cleaner, his name's Josh, and he's this lovely Korean man
with three kids and he came to my house the other day and he's like, oh, Lucy, I heard
you on the radio the other night.
And I was like, thanks, Josh.
He goes, loved the music you chose.
I was like, I don't choose the music, Josh, but thanks anyway.
Because that's with SCA as well, the radio station.
So, it's important to support your podcast.
Um, with some other form of media, like that really helps.
Oh, they're great.
Like there's like, we do a whole break called like the podcast replay and they put it in
like the little, you know, how they have that crazy voiceover that's like, Lucy and Nicky.
We just thought it was so incredible when we started doing the radio.
We were just like, wow, what a highly, highly produced medium.
Yeah, they know what they're doing.
It's just so many bing bong, it's very like overstimulating to be honest.
But it's a vibe, it's good practice.
So, when you say they're extraordinary.
Like there's teams, but you don't have to manage your teams, which is great.
No, we don't manage them, but we work very closely with them.
Like our producer for our podcast, we speak to at least once a day.
Um, like we kind of have like so many different things that we, we speak to the radio team
probably two or three times a week.
We talk to our manager, Claire, you know, every second day.
And you know, that's consistently the same team.
So, it's a great support.
So, does that feed, that sort of bopping around the joint, like you're one minute, you're,
you're doing stuff in your fashion brand, next minute you're doing something with your
wine product, next minute you're doing something with the radio, next minute you're doing a
produce for the podcast.
Does that, um, uh, fit well into your ADHD?
It's really, I, I get really over, over stimmed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
And I kind of have now, we've, we've actually, well, cause we've been doing it now for many
So, we've kind of only just.
We've only just kind of nailed the.
The balance of like on.
This day, we have a Jagger and Stone day and no offense to any of our other projects, but
we don't talk to you on those days.
Like, don't try and book a meeting.
Don't try and do this unless it's like really important.
Just because otherwise we just don't end up ever getting any actual work done.
All we do, and cause we record radio and podcasting a week, we're kind of recording for like.
Two big days where we are barely even on our phones to do any emails or anything.
So, you chunk out 10 pods on, on a, over a two day period?
No, so we do, we do two a week.
So, we only record two back to back.
You're not chunking a whole heap out.
So, we'll do that every Tuesday and then the radio we'll do every Thursday.
So, it's kind of like there's half a day here and they're gone.
And how do you feel about that?
Because I mean, I've been through that process with SCA actually many, many years ago, but
how do you feel about that process given that it sort of determines, like, if you just feel
like going down to Byron Bay for the week.
I mean, it's sort of like, you're pretty much running your calendar to someone else's
calendar or your calendar to your listeners' calendar.
How do you manage your life around that?
One benefit with SCA that we've found is like, cause we do travel a lot, but they have offices
in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast.
So, it is kind of flexible in that sense.
Cause you can kind of just plug in from anywhere and do your show, which has been great.
But if it is, if we have to go away, we just know and we just honestly bang out a lot of
pre-recording at once.
But like, like if you're trying to get married, for example, which is, you know.
More recently, you've got to sort of think about.
We did a lot of big recording days.
A lot of pre-planning.
But it sounds like more complicated than it is.
It's just kind of like any job really.
Like you have to get your work done before you go and leave anywhere.
But one thing that I have noticed with, cause we are, I guess, work for ourselves and we
And then when you kind of start, especially radio, because it is more to the, you know,
time restraints and stuff of this.
Which by the way runs in terms of when radio is on and when radio is off.
So like, you won't be putting much out and you won't be recording in December because
there's no ratings.
Well, we did the full time slot in December last year.
So you went, but you, but ordinarily your show would not be during the, let's call it
You might fill in, you might take over someone else's role because they're going on holidays.
But like, but you're always running your, your agenda or your calendar to the other calendars
So, and you said something interesting.
We work for ourselves, but actually in fact, you're not, I mean, and a lot of people sit
out and think, oh, wow, how good it would be to work for yourself.
But when you work for yourself, you're working to your audience itself.
So you're, you're listening, you're going to work to your listeners and to when your
advertisers want to put stuff on your content with your alongside your content out to the
listeners that they're trying to sell to.
And then when you're clothing business, that's probably going Christmas time is probably
when you're busiest times.
So it sounds like you're busy all the time.
It's funny with the radio.
Cause obviously in our contract, we have these live fill-in periods, which we actually
love doing like the live radios.
It's so, so much adrenaline.
Like we have a, we have a great time.
So what was the live filling?
What do you mean?
Just like, as in on live, like no pre-recording every night, five days a week, like doing
So, you know, you kind of build things out during the week with calls and stuff, but
that was straight after Black Friday, which obviously is e-commerce's biggest time of
And in the lead up to Christmas.
It was during Black Friday, I'm pretty sure last year, wasn't it?
So we kind of were like, that's one of those moments where we went, wow, probably shouldn't
have taken that on.
Cause we were like working the whole day with our Jagger team and going into the radio at
night and still podcasting.
We're not very good at time management.
We just say yes to a lot.
But that's an interesting point.
Very interesting point.
I think typical entrepreneurs always take too much on and it's not that bad because
I mean, you'll, you'll, you'll give yourself an uppercut and say, well, I'm not doing that
And we, well, you two probably talk to each other and say, well, we're going to stop taking
too much and saying yes to everything.
But actually a typical entrepreneur always does that.
When you get through it, you go, well, that wasn't too bad.
Like, and then someone will come along and say, look, do you mind doing this?
You go, oh, shit, we'll do it.
Is that sort of your, your caper?
Like, is that, is that your rhythm?
We like doing everything.
That's the challenge as well, because we actually, like I'd happily just do everything.
But I think when we find the pressure.
Is mainly when our business at home is struggling and we feel like we're neglecting it because
we've got staff and we don't have much middle management.
Like we put the girls all report directly into us.
So that's where we were finding a lot of overwhelm was like, if we were doing all these other
things and then like our staff were like waiting on us for answers or when the business wasn't
performing very well.
The proprietors, the proprietors, what I call the proprietors.
Nick, the proprietor's going to be like, you've got to do this work.
No, nothing will happen unless you do it.
Or answer these questions.
Like that document you've got to sign that you haven't signed.
But we're working on, that's like an us problem.
Do you know what I mean?
Like that can be resolved.
It just had to, we just had to kind of get in there.
And we're actually already this year seeing a lot of improvements in that.
We've restructured the team a bit.
We've got another staff member on and stuff.
So we're starting to figure it out.
And that's a good example.
Like even with our new staff.
We've got a new staff member coming on and we're like,
that's going to be a big month for the team.
So Claire, our manager, I just email her and be like,
block out, no travel in this, these weeks.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whereas in the past we'd just kind of like let ourselves be available.
Whereas now we're like, let's hone in on this because then our future selves
will thank us for that and then we can go do the fun things.
So you're both young, but you're just recently married.
We're not that young, Mark.
Relatively speaking.
It's a relative young.
So I'm looking at double your age.
Do you ever think to yourself, yeah, well, I'm not going to always be single.
I'm not going to always be without a kid.
What's that look like for you in the future?
Or is that scary or you don't give a shit?
I feel like it's scary for sure.
Like I guess even just being married, it's like,
like I'm definitely going to have kids eventually.
And that definitely scares me because I'm like right now our lives are chaos.
But honestly, I think you just make it work.
Yeah, if it happens, it happens.
If it happens, it happens.
And you've got to pull through.
So maybe you won't be able to go away four times a week,
but I'm sure you can just make it work.
I don't like to be too stressed about it.
But that's a pretty, we both don't seem to like you get too overwhelmed by stuff.
And if you do, you just roll with it.
That's pretty cool.
I think, yeah, comparatively to, I think we definitely can be stressed
and I can certainly be a diva at times.
But I think comparatively to.
Working in the money market, you learn pretty quickly that good platforms matter.
Whether it's trading, banking, or managing your portfolio.
If the tech behind it isn't solid, it shows.
SwiftX is a crypto platform designed with that same mindset.
It's not just another exchange.
It's a proper platform built with the user in mind.
An intuitive interface, real security measures, and an actual customer support you can talk to.
They've taken what can be a pretty overwhelming space and made it accessible to the everyday punter.
Whether you're taking your first step into digital assets or already have some skin in the game,
SwiftX makes the whole experience.
experience smoother.
So if you're looking for a crypto platform that is built to work for you, not to confuse you,
check out SwiftX, S-W-Y-F-T-X dot app forward slash Mark Boris for more info.
Work Today moves fast, but Monday.com is here to help with their work management product.
It's built for more than just marketing teams.
It connects entire organizations to bridge the gap between strategy and execution.
Plus, with built-in AI capabilities, your team can work smarter, not harder.
Maximize your marketing impact with the first work product you and your team will love to use.
Visit us at Monday.com to learn more.
Yeah, I think we are kind of still just people that when, not that having a baby is shit, things happen,
but like when things happen that maybe you weren't exactly planned for, we just kind of go,
Got to deal with it now.
Well, the baby didn't sleep all night.
And had to go to the hospital and wait for three hours in an emergency ward because I thought she was
never going to be able to breathe because she had a flu.
And I'm turning up for the podcast.
We're going to be the kind of people that end up at the restaurant having a wine with our baby.
Like we're not going to be there.
We've had a lot of friends that have had kids recently and, you know, they're like, it is hard.
Of course it's hard.
Of course they're sleepless nights.
But, you know, it's not like it is what you make of it.
If you want to, like, you can also let the baby fit into your life.
And, like, I don't want any mothers to come for me because I know it's not that easy.
But that's the mindset I'm trying to go into it with.
Like, obviously, things will change.
But I also want the baby to try and fit into my life.
And I think we've done a good job of, like, you know, like Lou said, we do work for ourselves.
If it ever doesn't work, I'm sure she'll be like, sweet, the kid's been up all night.
That's fine, Nick.
We can record in the Arvo.
It's not going to be like a crazy.
That's an unbelievably good attitude, though.
I've got two more questions for you because I'm getting wound up.
So I've got two more questions for you.
You know how that works.
It's pretty easy.
Come on, come on.
So I've got two more questions, even though it's not on the list.
The first question is, why do you think your podcast is so popular and banging?
Like, what is it?
What is it in the content that works so well?
I think in the Australian podcasting space, I think that there are a lot of female duos.
But I don't think.
I don't think that there maybe are any that are as unpolished as us.
Like Kath and Kim.
We actually dress up as Kath and Kim.
That's what I was going to.
Because I've seen a few of the stuff on your Insta.
But a few of the posts.
I think that we're just kind of like very relatable.
But is that natural, though?
Honestly, I'm the biggest overshare you'll ever meet.
Like, legitimately.
Some of the things that I've said on that podcast, Mark, I hope you don't ever listen
because you're a man.
But like, huge overshare-er.
And we just have got a very genuine friendship, which I think people can relate to or they
Like, sometimes we forget the things we say in the pod because we'll just go off on a
tangent and banter together like the friends we are.
Like, even when we're not recording or we're not at work, we still, like, we do not run
out of shit to talk about.
We've been talking about the same thing for 15 years.
Like, the other day, my husband was in the background.
And Luce and I were, like, just, like, on the phone to each other for ages.
And he's like, are you still on the phone, babe?
He's like, what are you guys talking about now?
And I go, Donatello and Versace's facelift.
But we just, because we just like talking to each other, I think people really feel
They feel like it's easy listening.
You feel like you could be getting ready with your friends.
It's kind of like, just feels, yeah.
We don't preach because we don't really have, like, really strong.
We don't have opinions about things.
So it's not like we're there, you know.
You know how some podcasts talk a lot about, like, even if it is a pop culture one, they
might have really strong views on certain things.
We're kind of just a little bit more lighthearted than that.
And I don't feel like there's many people doing that.
Maybe is probably why it's been popular.
Our producer, male, mid-20s, has a question.
You know, he specifically asked me to ask you what, and you guys will have an opinion
And also your audience probably.
We feed you back on stuff.
What do young men of his, in his genre, tend to do wrong when it comes to dating?
The married one knows.
What do you know?
They're all swing, no ding.
What's that mean?
They talk so much shit.
I've got a quick example.
I'm going to tell it.
Well, he's listening.
Don't worry about it.
And this is recorded.
And we will bring this up in our next group meeting in the office.
You give him a second.
We want to hear some feedback.
No, they're all full of shit, for lack of a better word.
Like, so they just, you know, a guy even, like, keeps messaging me, we need to catch
And I'm like, yeah, I'm home on Wednesday and Thursday, Wednesday and Thursday, they
are my free days.
I'm away on Monday, Tuesday.
I'm away the rest of the week.
Just completely bypasses making a plan.
Then I walk past him and I'm like, oh, hey.
And he's like, we really need to catch up for a drink.
And I'm like, I told you I'm free on Wednesday or Thursday.
All swing, no dig.
But then reply to every story, like, oh, hot babe.
And it's like, just take me out.
Don't want a pen pal.
Oh, the amount of pen pals, the amount of talking stages that I had.
I don't do them anymore.
I have, like, strictly no talking phases.
Lucy just calls them out now.
I literally go, a guy followed and unfollowed me the other day.
And I go, did you just follow and unfollow me?
What are you doing looking at your page seeing who's followed and unfollowed you?
I only noticed because it must have, like, come up in my thing
because we've got mutuals.
So I could see that he followed me.
And I was like, oh, who's this cute boy?
Then all of a sudden I looked again like a day later and he'd unfollowed.
His girlfriend probably said to him, why are you following him?
Yeah, so no excuse.
But I just, yeah, all swing, no dig is a good one.
There's a million other things that they're doing wrong,
but that's definitely one of them.
And this one, this question is my question.
I always get fascinated with people when they come up
with a brand name, Jagger and Stone.
Is it Jagger or Jager and Stone?
Jagger and Stone.
As in Mick Jagger.
Spell differently.
Well, we had to spell it differently because we got sued by his people.
You're shitting me.
Our trademark got revoked and so we went to court.
So it was spelled as in Mick Jagger.
It was J-A-G-G-E-R and Stone.
And then basically our second ever collection that we released,
we, on our email, get this letter.
Trademarks are taking such a long time to come through.
It took like about nine months or whatever.
So IP Australia obviously approved it.
Lucky we checked our emails back then.
Lucky I always have, hey?
And it'd be fair to say, just before you answer the question,
it'd be fair to say you cut, she sews.
What does that mean?
You go through and cut up the cloth and she just stands behind it
to make sure it's all stitched up.
I just really am bad on emails.
But, like, I'm pretty good.
I do a lot of other things that are, like,
that run the business in certain ways,
but I just really don't like my emails.
I don't blame you.
Yeah, so then when it went out to, like, when it was advertised,
obviously someone contested it.
And so we were kind of like, oh, I thought we had a chance,
so we went to court.
Did you know, ironically, it had nothing to do with Mick Jagger.
It had nothing to do with Mick Jagger.
I was going to say, what did it have something to do with?
Like, how did you pick those two words?
Well, Jagger is like Lucy, like as in, like, the more Jagger.
Lightning bolt, like crazy energy.
And then I was the stone, like the more grounder.
So, yeah, that makes sense.
So it's sort of a yin and yang type deal.
Pretty much, yeah.
And it just sounded cool.
It does sound cool.
And something we didn't even know at the time,
but we can add to it to give it more gusto,
is I'm Lucy Jackson, J-A, Jagger.
Now we're reaching.
And Nicky's Nicky Westcott Stone, S-T Stone.
Are you following that?
Someone commented on something recently and we were like,
But actually that's.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
And by the way, it's always about storytelling.
And I think you guys are experts at it.
I've really enjoyed myself today.
It's been a great convo.
Thanks very much, ladies.
Thanks so much for having us.
Thanks for having us.
Not all that long ago, money was simple.
You earned it, saved some, spent some,
and maybe invested in a house if you were lucky.
No apps, no online banking,
no thinking beyond what was in your wallet.
But times have changed.
In today's money market,
growth can come in many ways.
And the way we think about cash is continuously evolving.
Enter Australia's highest rated crypto exchange,
Whether you are just starting to explore the crypto market or
are already deep in the game,
SwiftX makes it easy to acquire,
sell, and trade digital assets all in one place.
So if you're someone who's thought about dipping your toes
in the crypto market,
but isn't sure where to start,
this might be for you.
Visit SwiftX.com.
Click the link in the description below to check it out.
If you've been listening along for a while,
you'll know I'm all about staying sharp physically and mentally.
staying on top of my game means being smarter
with how I support my body and mind day in, day out.
One product I've already added to my routine
from the bulk nutrients range is their NMN Extend.
It's a science-backed blend of 10 powerful ingredients,
including NMN, resveratrol,
and hyaluronic acid.
Now this is designed to support everything from energy and muscle recovery
to skin hydration, joint health,
and even mental clarity.
And by the way, I need all those.
Whether I'm powering through a busy week
or just investing in my long-term health,
NMN Extend helped me stay ready for whatever's next.
And believe me, it tastes pretty good too.
Head to bulknutrients.com.au
and see why NMN Extend might be the edge you've just been looking for.