170 Alex Pereira On Fighting Oleksandr Usyk Moving Up To Heavyweight Who The Ufc Goat Is

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If Aspen all fights Jones, who does he think will win?

What's wrong, John?

I think John Jones wins.

The famous mutant UFC light heavyweight champion of the world, hands of stone.

Give it up once more for Alex. Thank you very much.

And this evening, it's a little bit unusual in that Alex doesn't speak a great deal of English.

So we have our interpreter, Korea, and she speaks Portuguese.

So she's our interpreter for tonight.

So, Alex, welcome to Australia.

Alex, welcome to Australia.

Muito obrigado.

Thank you.

How have you been enjoying it?

Como que você está gostando da Austrália?

Como sempre, né?

Toda vez que eu venho aqui, sempre bem recebido.

O energia grande desse pessoal.

As always, I've been very welcome to here in Australia.

You guys have a great energy.

So, I was talking to Dana White last week, and he said, Dana White, and he said last week

that Australia has the most dangerous animals in the world.

Sharks, crocodiles, snakes.

He said this is such a tough country.

Thank you.

to any of those animals over the last week.

He was talking to Daniel White, and he asked if he was afraid of sharks, or if he had

any exposure to these animals, sharks, spiders and these dangerous animals from Australia.

He wants to know if you had any exposure.

No, I haven't had any exposure.

For those who follow me, you know I've come to some commitments, and I have a final fight.

so I'm focused, always training, so I don't have time to leave,

but I hope one day I'll have the opportunity to come to Australia

to get to know Australia.

So, last weekend, last weekend, Alex was in Sean Strickland's corner,

Sean Strickland, and that was at UFC 312.

So, anyway, last Sunday, what were you, what are Alex's thoughts

about how Sean Strickland fought on the weekend?

He's saying it was a really hard, a tough fight,

and unfortunately he broke his nose, and, yeah, that was, like,

quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.

It was quite unexpected, actually, yeah, because it was hot.

So, the gentleman that he fought, who Sean fought, is Drikus Duplessis,

and he's a South African, so Drikus, okay, and one of the things

that I noticed is that the way Drikus fought Sean is very similar

to the way Alex fought Sean many years ago, or a few years ago.

So, Alex...

Alex fought the same man, Sean, a few years ago,

and Drikus looked like he copied Alex.

He looked like he studied Alex in order to fight Sean.

Does, did Alex notice that?

Did he notice the similarity in the style of the guy who fought his corner guy?

He's asking if you noticed that the guy who fought against Sean

kind of copied you the last time you fought with Sean.

Do you also think that he copied you, that he learned from you?

What do you think about that?

No, I don't think so. I think it's a different style.

I don't think we look alike in anything.

I haven't seen anything like that in this fight.

He doesn't agree.

He thinks he has a different style.

He thinks he has a different style of fight,

and he doesn't actually see that, no.

And after the...

And quite a few times over the last sort of five, six days,

Drikus has said, in fact, he said it to me,

that if there's any person that he would like to fight in the UFC,

it would be Alex.

Drikus has...

He didn't call him out,

but he has made it clear that he would like to, at some stage,

fight in Alex's division.

Drikus, he said to him that he would like to fight with you in the future.

He has the will, that's his goal, his objective, to fight with you in the future.

Was there a question? No.

Yeah, what is Alex thinking about that?

What do you think about that, about him wanting to fight with you in the future?

He's kind of calling you.

Okay.

No, so, after the fight, where he won against Shane Strickland,

he said that he would like to fight, right?

He didn't say those words, but he said he would like to fight with me.

So, I met him in the backstage and asked if that was an indirect question for me.

He said yes.

I said, let's make it happen.

And if he wants it, I want it, the organization wants it, it will be well done.

Okay, so, they actually had a talk backstage.

And he actually asked Drinker if he...

He was actually meaning...

Well, he said, and he said, yes, I want to fight with you in the future.

And Alex said, okay, let's do it.

And let's see if the organization wants that, and let's make it happen.

That would be very cool.

Well, he's also, before I go on, I have to ask a question.

I want to ask Alex a question, and you'll be able to interpret it for me.

But what does the word chama mean?

C-H-A-M-A.

He says it a lot on his Instagram, but what does it mean for all of us sitting here?

Yeah.

He wants to know what everyone wants to know.

What does chama mean?

Chama is a...

Let's go.

Of course, internally, with the team, we talk about more things, like yes or no.

Oh, do you want it or not?

Ah, yes.

Like, chama.

But in general, it's let's go.

Okay.

So, it literally means let's go.

But he also used...

Okay.

He's now for everything.

Like, yes, no.

He's now...

He's a brand, right?

But yeah, the actual meaning is just like, let's go.

Maybe he should go...

You can say it, Alex.

Maybe he should do what Bruce Buffer did and go and register the name, because Bruce Buffer

has met...

Registered the trademark.

It's time, and it gets royalty every time.

So, maybe Alex should register the name, chama, and get royalty every time anybody

else uses it.

What's the name of the guy again?

Bruce Buffer.

Yeah.

Bruce Buffer.

Okay.

So...

It's a...

Yeah.

Okay.

Yesterday or today, I'm not sure, it might have been, like, night time in Europe, the

pound for pound best boxer in the world at the moment...

Heavyweight boxer.

Alexander, and his surname is Usyk, has said of the two people he would like to fight at

the moment in the world, one of which is Alex.

Is that something that he would be considering?

So Alexander Yuki, he wants, he said he would like you to fight with him, you are one of

the people he wants to fight with.

Would you consider that?

I had already said that before, that I would really like to do a boxing fight, and they

asked me who I would be, and I said I am a champion, so I would have to be a champion,

and he is the champion, and now he gave an interview and said my name, so it's something

I want, he also wants, and the two boxing organizations, the UFC, they are working together,

so I think that this fight can happen.

Okay.

So he said he's a great fighter.

He's a great champion, as Alex is also a great champion, and he said he wants to fight

with a champion, and so he's the guy that he wants to fight with, against, because he's

a champion, just like him, so yeah, he wants to make that happen very soon.

Can I just ask, I want to get back to UFC, but I want to ask Alex, how heavy is he when

he just walks around, not when he's getting ready for a fight, because he has to weigh

in at a certain...

205 pounds.

He can't weigh more than 205 pounds in his division.

What weight does he normally walk around with, so how much more weight does he have on him?

Because he's a big man, he's a big man, and it looks quite, like you would never think

he could be fighting at 93 kilos.

He's asking what your weight is on normal days, not when you're fighting, because everyone

knows, but you're a big man, they want to know.

How much do you weigh?

I'm weighing 105, approximately 105 kilos now.

He said 105 kilograms.

Whoa.

Yeah, he's a big guy.

So that's his 105 kilos day-to-day.

Yeah.

So he's got to drop, like, you know, 15 kilos, or not quite 15, but 12 kilos.

So, how, right now, because he's got a fight coming up, Alex has got a fight coming up,

how, what period of time does he have to do that?

I don't know.

What period of time does he take to lose that weight?

Is it a 12-week period, an eight-week period?

Does he do it in the last three weeks?

Yeah.

How does he lose all that kilos, those kilos?

He wants to know, for you to fight, you have to lose at least 15 kilos.

How long does it take you to lose those kilos?

How does it work?

Two weeks?

Two months?

Last week.

Last week, we do a, we already have a method, right?

To dehydrate the body.

So we have to consume a lot of water.

Yes.

Wow.

Okay.

So he's saying that it takes him like less than a week.

sometimes like he said he actually lose uh like four kilos in four hours like a few kilos in 10

kilos i mean in four hours like super quickly they they have a matterhood that they use that he can

lose very quickly so he's actually it takes less than a week for him to lose all that weight so

let's talk about that then because he's fighting um ankalev ankalev um at in the at ufc 313

um how are you feeling about how is he feeling about the matchup with ankalev and the style of

ankalev compared to what he's been fighting before okay

um he said he's just training as he's he used to train like he not nothing changed the only

difference is that he's left-handed um but he's just using his own matterhood nothing

changed actually on the way he's going to fight with that guy what about if ankalev starts to

wrestle uh what does he feel about the dagestani's wrestling style okay

he's saying that he has a lot of experience with jiu-jitsu as well so he's trained he's

prepared so he's not scared at all he's

he's ready to go because i've seen um sometimes

john jones who's in the next division up training with a guy called gordon ryan

does alex bring in experts in like that to wrestle with him so so john jones brings in

gordon ryan yeah to wrestle with does alex get those sorts of people in um so john jones

ellie

elliot

wrestle with this gordon ryan and he wants to know if you also have a person who helps you

to wrestle

so yeah he has teixeira which is just that can we get can we please give him a clap

he's done an amazing thing in a very short time um in terms of ufc

um

i just got someone talking in my ear there um he's done amazing things in very short time um

how did what does he attribute his success to i mean obviously he's athletic and he trains hard

etc but is there anything that he can attribute his success to in such a short period like he's

you know he's conquered as a as a kickboxer he's a double division winner in kickboxing in in the

glory competition in ufc he's a double division winner in um you know looking back actually i'm to say um like we've got two high school kids who are doing well um and so sounds prettyoring so grateful.

Though you know that somebody was doing a great job in the recent process of your career i'm trying to get it stronger.

10 hours a week um it's i think he's doing everywhere else but um let's hope he does well.

winner in UFC, he only started his MMA career in his early 20s.

What does he attribute his speed to success?

What is it?

Like apart from athleticism, is it commitment or is it where he grew up?

What is it?

Yeah.

He wants to know what you attribute to your success, because you grew up very fast.

In addition to doing kickboxing, UFC, MMA, but you evolve very fast.

What do you attribute to your success?

Is it your discipline, your family, where you came from?

I think it wasn't that fast.

I think people know me now from UFC, which is a platform, an event that everyone knows.

But it's been 15 years of career that I've been dedicating myself.

I think it's all my dedication.

If I didn't have that dedication, I wouldn't be here.

I wouldn't have the education, that discipline.

I wouldn't have achieved what I've reached today.

Certainly my family, my friends, good people who are with me, I think that's a big part

of my success.

He said it's been 15 years.

So, it's not that short a period of time.

It's been a while that he's been fighting, but he obviously got success, not as long,

but he definitely has success.

said that discipline is something that helped and also his family and all the

people he has around him they all helped him to to be who he is today so could we

go back could I go back to the early days in his life in Brazil what it was

what was it like growing up in Brazil as a kid like you know me I don't I says I

suspect he didn't come from like the best parts of Brazil you know growing up

does that have any impact on him and being committed to his cause committed

to being a fighter to win to make money or to be successful growing up

yeah so he said he couldn't study as back then he didn't like

to study and he didn't have a health life as well but his sports definitely

helped him to to build up who he is today so he believes the sport is there

is the answer I've read somewhere that he has a indigenous heritage yeah how

important is that indigenous heritage to how he lives his life and probably

importantly does spirituality from his indigenous heritage heritage have any

impact on his life?

in the way he approaches his everyday life outside of fighting yeah okay so he

he wants to know if you have an indigenous person, a brazilian, an indian

and you think that this helps you, how does your spirituality, how does being

indigenous this culture that you have in you help you in your day-to-day life?

your indigenous spirituality how is that for you?

no for sure it helps right I had my first contact actually with the Indians was I think

eight years ago more or less I I found out that I my relatives who are ancestors they

were Indians but I only got in touch now like eight years ago right it was with Biranã

Pataxó in Bahia so so come and see me in Brazil.

yeah.

Yeah.

So he's saying he only had contact with those indigenous eight years ago.

He knew actually he had an indigenous background, but he never actually got any contact with them.

So now knowing them, knowing they are fighters, they've been fighting for all over those years,

it definitely helped him to get a sense of belonging even more with them.

And yeah, he's been helping them as well.

So I guess what I'd like to know then, if he's been training and fighting for 15 years,

when did he start to take martial arts seriously as a job?

Like, you know.

Like, a way to make money.

And not just to win awards, but a way to make money.

And what period of his life?

Okay.

He wants to know what period of his life you started making money with martial arts.

Because you've been doing this for 15 years.

But when did you really start making money with it?

Well, when I started making money, when I started making money that I could live only from the fight,

it was when I was at Glory, not at the beginning, but I think it was at the end of Glory,

where I was champion, and from then on, things have been improving.

After I came to UFC, everyone who knows UFC knows that it's the highest in the sports of fighting.

So, I think in the middle, at Glory, it's a kickboxing event.

And by the end, I started making some nice money.

Okay.

So, he started to take it seriously when he went to Glory, which is a...

Kickboxing.

Yeah, kickboxing event.

And that's when he started to win, and he started to make money, and then he changed to UFC,

and his career just, yeah, started to launch.

Well, okay, guys.

I think what we'll do, this is the end of the first part of the interview.

We're going to come back and answer some questions from the audience.

We have some questions already pre-interviewed.

And so, we're just going to take a short break now.

And we'll come back on the stage after the next event.

Thanks very much.

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And we brought up to the stage on this occasion Coach Cruz, which is Alex's coach.

And he's been around forever.

So on this segment, we've got some, we have canvassed some questions from the crowd.

And we've got a couple of questions we're going to ask them.

And then we're going to start to talk to Coach Cruz and Alex about some of the fighting moments that he's had.

But in terms of the...

Crowd questions, Q&As, let's call them.

I'm going to put the questions to Coach Cruz and he's going to ask Alex and we're going to talk through it.

So, Coach, could you ask Alex which opponent, and he's had plenty, has scared him the most?

Well, I think all of them, right?

But I think all of them.

It's hard to answer this question.

Any specific one?

All of them.

I'm afraid of all of them.

All of them.

No one specific?

I'm scared of all of them.

All of them give me...

I feel the same way about all of them.

I cannot...

It's hard for me to name one.

That's interesting.

So, does he get nervous, like, very nervous before the fight?

He gets very nervous, very tense before the fight.

No, I get nervous, but not tense, like that.

It's something I can control.

But, of course, I have a certain nervousness there, but it's something I can control.

Obviously, always nervous, not too tense, but to a point that I can control.

That's interesting.

So, OK, so he's sort of scared of everybody.

Not scared, but, you know, aware of everybody, I guess is probably the way of putting it.

But what about on the other side?

Who did he enjoy?

This is a question from the audience.

Who did he enjoy fighting the most?

Well, now looking on the other side, who did you like the most to fight?

Who did I like the most to fight?

Well, I think it's all because of the story, I think with Adesanya, right?

We have a story, well, a very beautiful story.

There were overcomes there, adversities there, there was everything, right?

And, well, I think each one overcame...

There were specific things there, right?

I think I liked the story more, I think with Adesanya.

I would say Israel Adesanya, because due to the history that we had, moments of adversity,

moments that I had to overcome, so I would say Israel Adesanya.

He enjoyed fighting the most.

100%.

So we have another question here.

Is there a favorite moment in the Octagon?

Maybe getting the belt given to him.

So this is one from the audience.

What is a favorite moment, or he may have many favorite moments,

in the Octagon?

You must have several favorite moments, but what is your favorite moment in the Octagon?

Maybe winning a belt, some moment of a fight, tell us.

I would say two moments there, right?

Well, I think everyone would answer, right?

When you're there, you won, the referee raising his hand, announcing your name, right?

I think that would be the favorite moment, but I think at that moment that I'm there in the front,

facing, in that face, I think it's very important.

It's something I like.

I would say two moments, obviously, one that I think everybody would say, the moment that

I got my hand raised, got the belt, but also the face-offs.

I enjoy the face-offs when I'm staring down my opponent, feeling that energy.

Could we just explore the face-offs just for a second?

Does Alex stare them straight in the face before the fight starts, or does he look to

the ground?

What's his process?

Well, let's talk a little bit about the face-off, since you mentioned the face-off.

How is it?

Do you look straight in the eye?

Do you look at your opponent's face, do you look down?

How is that energy at that moment?

What do you do?

I'm there all the time, looking in the eye, trying to see something there, moments of

weakness, but I always look.

Always staring down in the eyes, trying to read my opponent, trying to catch a moment

of weakness, always staring him down in the eyes.

Wow.

What is the worst injury that he has fought with?

What was the worst injury that you've ever had to fight with?

The worst injury?

Well, there are several, but I think my debut in the UFC was a very serious injury.

I was, everyone had expectations, I had signed with the UFC, I already had a date

set for the fight, and then I hurt my ankle, a serious injury, and then, even so, I tried

to recover there, I wasn't 100%, but I went and I still won the fight for a knockout,

and it was a nice knockout.

So I think this injury was one of the worst.

I'll say, actually, I don't know if everybody knows this, but before, prior to my UFC debut,

leading up to it, I had a bad injury on my ankle, on my foot, and I had to push through,

I didn't want to spoil it, I didn't want to not fight, so I fought through it, and

I won by knockout.

Can we go to some UFC videos?

Now, I just, we'll just get some UFC videos, and I do want to talk about some of these

fights, and the very first fight I want to put up there on the screen, this is Adesanya

versus Alex, the first fight.

So we just, there's the tail of the tape.

This rivalry is like legendary in the UFC.

It's his fourth fight.

What was he thinking when he walked into the office?

Octagon for that, you were there for that particular fight.

What was going through his head at that moment when he was about to walk in and start to

touch gloves?

Well, there, all the work that we did to get there, right, since I did, after I left

Glory, I did my fight in the LFA, where everyone there was watching, right, the world of the

MMA.

So, well, until I got there, it was a difficult moment, well, I fought with people who have

great experience in MMA, so it was difficult to get there, and when I got there, I said,

well, now I have to make the most of it and do my best here.

And how was your head going into that fight there?

My head was good, because I went through very difficult things until I got there, so I said,

well, now I have to take advantage of my moment.

Well, a lot of hype was created from him going to Glory, and then once he won the LFA

fight, it created a bigger hype, so he caught a lot of momentum, he was feeling good going

to this fight, and he said that walking into the fight, he knew that he had an opportunity,

he had to just capitalize that moment.

Because he had already met him in the Glory, in the kickboxing events, and he fought him

twice, I think, in kickboxing as well.

Did he feel as though the fight was any different?

Like, relatively speaking, like, I mean, apart from the ground, any ground work that

might have happened, but did he feel as though the fight was a different sort of fight?

Like, they're both kickboxers, they fought each other in the past, did he go with the

same mentality?

And you're the coach, you would have worked out, helped him work the strategy out.

So, for example, you had already fought him twice in kickboxing, did you think that this

was a different fight in MMA than when you fought him, different from the other fights

you did?

Different because it was MMA, but I didn't feel that.

I didn't feel the difference between the kickboxing fights and that fight.

We fought most of the fights standing up, of course, there was moments on the ground

that made a difference, but it looked like, it felt like it was a kickboxing fight.

And how was it for Alex to fight at that weight?

So, like, it was a little difficult to get to that weight, right?

I'd already been talking to the team and everything.

We were a little worn out already.

It's where, like I said, in the last fight, right?

Man, that hurt me a lot.

But we were doing what we were able to do.

Fighting on the way started to become a little more difficult, it started to create a toll

on my body.

That's when later I started to mention that I may go to a different weight class, but

regardless, I wanted to fight.

I wanted to get there, get it done, to get it done.

How does he remain so calm?

Is he always calm like this?

Like, he's very calm, calm when he's in the octagon, calm when he's being interviewed.

Is he naturally a calm dude, like, all the time?

There were moments when I didn't train very well.

But not because I was a relaxed guy, but because of an injury or, I don't know, because of

something like that.

But I was there, like, I didn't train the way I wanted to train.

So that made me more nervous and stuff.

But when I know that I trained well and I'm ready for that, I'm not going to be so nervous,

I can control myself.

I just don't get more nervous because the key of the game is confidence.

So the way that I train, I train really hard.

That makes me not feel too nervous.

nervous on the fight. There were moments like in other fights that I felt more nervous because

I couldn't train too hard, but not because I did not train hard because I had an injury or anything

like that. So the key is the training. Training. Alex and Israel are now mates. Oh, you know,

friends, we would say. You would say. Good friends. In his game, in this game,

is it very easy once you walk out of that ring, you know, you've just been

fighting somebody, is it easy to stay actual real good friends post-fight?

Well, for him, yes. You know what I mean? Especially, okay, if you're going to fight,

you're just going to fight the rivalry. If he's not going to fight the guy no more,

when in this case he's not fighting Israel or the Zayda no more. So he feels it's good. It's

good for him. It's good for Israel. It's good to have this good relationship.

Well, let's talk about Jamal Hill, UFC 300.

There was a lot of talk going on before the fight, a lot of back and forth. Obviously,

he won, but Alex won. But what does he think about someone like Jamal Hill then? And can you be just

as good friends with someone like Jamal Hill post-fight as you can be with, say, someone like

Israel? Well, Jamal Hill, for example, let's talk about Jamal Hill a little bit, UFC 300.

There was a lot of talk about him against the other one, getting into the fight. You won,

of course, but would you be able to, for example, be a friend of Jamal Hill,

in the same way that you're doing the design?

Right now, at the moment, no, because we could potentially fight in the future. We're fighting

in the same weight class. But if it happens the same with Israel, the Zayda, that I've got a case

that I'm not fighting him no more, I have no problem with that. We can always be friends.

We can train together. No problem for me. So he's fought Jerry Prochazka twice.

What does he, what, and obviously one of the very first fights, it was a really important fight.

This is his very first fight with Prochazka. What does he think about individuals like,

do they keep fighting? Do they fight a third time, a fourth time, or does it just, it doesn't

happen again? Especially in terms, you and I are talking out the back about the matchmaking.

So, you know, what does Alex think about those processes of these individuals who are still

in the division? You know, will they have a fight again? Or, you know, how does he feel

about those guys?

So a guy that he can potentially fight again?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For example, Prochazka, right, Paul? You fought with him twice. The first one is super important

for you. How do you feel about your opponent when you win? The guys you're going to have to

talk about.

Well, I'm always going to behave the same way for each fight. Let's say I fought him

twice. The same way for the first, for the second. If I fight him a third time, I'm going

to behave and focus the same way.

So, what about, so I did watch the Khalil Rountree fight.

That was a war. Like, that was unbelievable. And I heard that Alex was injured for that

fight. Was that true? Was he injured? And how did he, how do you build a strategy around

being injured? Like, what do you do? Like, you know you've got an injury somewhere. How

do you take it, make sure you're not taken advantage of by the other fighter?

Well, let's talk about the Khalil Rountree fight. It was a tough fight, a great fight

that you fought. But we also learned that you had an injury, that you're injured for

this fight, right? How did you do this injured fight? And how do you prepare when you have

an injury around you to be able to fight and have that performance?

Well, it was a very difficult fight, right? Due to injuries, right? I got sick in the middle

of the camp.

I was in Brazil, too, solving some things. I was in Brazil, too, solving some things.

I was in Brazil, too, solving some things. I was in Brazil, too, solving some things. I was in

Brazil, too, solving some things. I was in Brazil, too, solving some things. I was in

Brazil, too, solving some things. I was in Brazil, too, solving some things. And then

to come here in America, due to a problem with my complementar as well. So it was really

difficult, right? But then, in the end, I'm very good, a player like my teammates, we

talk a lot and we adapt everything that's going to happen. A problem that always happens

is probably the last thing that gives us a result.

Well it was a high preparation. Starting, I had some visa issues to renew my passport

to come in from Brazil to America, because I was traveling. Then I had some injuries,

but...

On a regular way, I think I have a very good team

and we know how to work on the unexpected.

Things happen.

So we know how to take it at a time,

know how to focus and regroup and move on from there

and get the result.

I do want to go back to Sean Strickland

when he fought Strickland a long time ago.

One of the things I noticed about Alex

is that he's got this unbelievable right hook.

Left hook.

Sorry, left hook.

He hit Sean with a beautiful left hook.

And what he did, Sean was standing up tall

and Alex bent his legs down

and then he come back over and hit straight over the right.

Is that something he's worked on?

Has he always had this left hook?

Is this the way you can do it?

It's where I can influence.

It's like if I was just hitting the bottom.

And it's a little difficult.

Sometimes people say,

be smart, he's going to do this,

he's going to throw it on the bottom,

he's going to throw it on the top.

After I saw videos of Jamal's corner talking,

when he was hitting the bottom,

he said, be smart, he's going to cross on the top.

And it's been done.

That's what I did.

I train a lot.

It's been going well.

Even people knowing, there's no way.

There's actually a setup, a way that he works,

he makes his opponent think

that he's going to get hit in the bottom, right?

Body shots.

He creates an awareness to then go upstairs.

Even with the Jamal, he'll fight,

he'll hurt Jamal's corner.

Like he watched later, he saw Jamal's corner saying,

be careful, he's attacking the bottom to go upstairs.

But at the same time, he still connects.

So there's a way that he does.

He creates an awareness somewhere,

he just goes somewhere else.

Anyway.

But the power is, like, unbelievable.

I mean, it's just, he's not throwing from out here,

he's just, the power is incredible.

Has he always been a powerful dude, like, all his life,

like, even when he was kickboxing?

Well, but the power, the strength is, man, tremendous, sinister.

You've always been a strong guy, like this,

you've always had a strong punch.

Yeah, I've always been strong.

Even in kickboxing, for example.

Yeah, I've always been strong, since I was a kid.

I have a good genetics.

Then, of course, with the training,

we improved and I'm stronger.

No, always, even as a child, he always had good genetics,

he was a very strong kid.

And, of course, with training, he was able to sharpen it up

and get better for the MMA, for the kickboxing, for the fights.

Always strong, always hard.

What everybody wants to know,

will Alex ever go up and try to go for a heavyweight division fight?

Like, be the only, a triple division winner,

get up into the heavyweight division?

The question that doesn't want to be asked,

everyone wants to know.

Will Alex ever go up and try to go for a heavyweight division fight

and become the first triple division champion?

I think that's possible.

We've already talked about that.

Even John Jones said, I said, that he would do this fight.

But now it's up to the organization to agree and make it happen.

There is an interest, there is a potential.

Even John Jones expressed himself.

We wanted to do this, we won.

Now it's up to the UFC to make it happen.

I asked Drikus, who did he say was the greatest fighter in UFC today and of all time?

Drikus told me, two people, John Jones and Alex Pereira.

Who does Alex think has been or is the greatest UFC fighter of all time?

Well, Drikus told him last week that he's the best fighter of all time.

Today,

and of all time in the UFC,

there are two.

John Jones and you.

Drikus told him this.

In your opinion, who is the greatest fighter of all time?

The greatest fighter?

Yes.

I think John Jones.

John Jones.

It seems to be unanimous by everybody that they say John Jones is the greatest of all time.

What is it about John Jones?

Is it his power?

Is it his speed?

He's obviously fought in a lighter division as well.

So what is it about?

Does Alex think about John Jones?

What is it that makes him so unanimously the best?

It seems unanimous that everybody talks about John Jones.

What is it about him, maybe the strength, the speed, the game, that makes him so good to be the greatest of all time, in your opinion?

No, in my opinion, I think it's the greatest amount of title defenses.

I think that's what matters to me.

What matters?

The biggest number of title defenses in the UFC.

That matters.

The data.

The stats.

And by the way, I believe you.

Stats is always the number one.

Well, finally, if Aspinall fights Jones, if they fight, who does he think will win?

Who do you think will win?

I think John Jones will win.

Well, from my point of view, if Alex Pereira gets into the ring and fights either one of them, it's Alex Pereira.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like you to give him a round of applause.

If you give it up, please say thank you very much for this wonderful man you've considered you.

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

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