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I'm Mike Boris and this is Straight Talk.
It's an individual game for three seconds.
But you actually can't do anything else
without your teammates.
It's well documented you're a pretty nervous sort of guy
when it comes to going over the ropes in your country.
I only get nervous because I care.
I care about my teammates.
I care about my performance.
I'll be honest, I've been in tears.
I've been hurting.
Doing my calf, what, 15 weeks ago now.
What was the experience of it?
What was the experience?
Throughout my journey, I've realised
that there's no point in fearing failing.
Every time you fail, there's an opportunity to learn.
We can press forward.
He wins the battle with Moeen Ali yet again.
Brilliant from Lyon.
Are you prepping yourself for life after cricket?
Nathan Lyon, Gary the Goat.
Welcome to Straight Talk, mate.
Oh, thanks for having me.
I don't think Gary the Goat's the right nickname though, Mark.
That's pretty good.
It's a better record than anybody in recorded history as an off-spin bowler, correct?
It doesn't matter.
In Australia, we don't care about the rest of the world.
We're only used to what it goes on here.
So you are Gary the Goat here.
And I'd say your teammates probably call you Gary.
Do they call you Gary?
It's not just some teammates.
I think I've got two older daughters and when they want something, they call me Gary as well.
They've worked it out.
Yeah, they've worked it out quite quickly.
Really good at what they do at their profession.
Their peers anoint them Gary the Goat.
So that's it, mate.
That's good enough for me.
You grew up in Yonge?
Grew up in Yonge, yep.
Relatively close to Canberra.
I mean, I don't even know where Yonge is.
I know it's down south from Sydney, but where are we talking about?
I was about four hours southwest of Sydney, hour and a half to Canberra.
So we had my brother, older brother, three years older.
He was mad Canberra riders.
And we used to go over for all the home games.
And when I was about four or five,
no, probably about five, we got into the change rooms
and went up and got to meet Mal Meninger.
It was probably the highlight of going down the Raiders games,
Was Sticky in the team then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Laurie Daly, Ricky Stewart, Brett Mullins, Mal Meninger.
Yeah, Brad Clyde, yeah.
But he's, to me, I think he's just one of the most brilliant footballers
He had a lot of injuries, but one of the most brilliant footballers
And how did you, I mean, you're a kid.
Obviously, growing up in a country town,
well, it's not quite a country town.
It's more significant as a country town, young.
How did you feel about elite sports people like those guys?
Absolutely idolised them.
Being, obviously, growing up in the country,
probably not doing as much schoolwork as what I probably should have
when I was a kid.
I was absolutely obsessed with playing cricket,
kicking the football, playing soccer.
I'd play, when summer would come around, I'd play two games of cricket
on Saturday, then play a game of cricket on Sunday.
So my whole weekend was full of sport, even in winter,
even going back and reffing junior soccer.
So any professional athlete that ever come to young,
whether it be rugby league players, cricket players,
whatever it may be, absolutely idolised them.
What do you think that is that, and I'm not sure if it's limited
But let's just look at country kids for a moment.
What do you think country kids, I don't know about today either,
but back then, when you were a kid, do idolise professional sports people?
Well, I can only talk from my upbringing.
I feel like there's not many distractions out in young.
Can't really just go to the beach or the cinemas.
We never had any cinemas when we were growing up out in young.
So all we wanted...
All we wanted to do was play sport, and being a small family,
just mum, dad, and an older brother, and myself, it was all sport.
And obviously had no phones and no iPads or anything like that too,
or PlayStations to keep us entertained.
It was either do your homework inside or go outside, run around,
play cricket in the backyard, play footy, whatever it may be.
Ended up being, I don't know, our street at home had, I don't know,
probably eight or ten kids playing cricket every,
pretty well three nights a week on the roads out there.
It's funny, you know, my...
I knew, well, I know, still know,
a couple of elite rugby league players and elite cricketers, as a matter of fact.
And I remember one in particular, a guy called Graeme Hughes.
He was a great rugby league player, but a great cricketer.
Played for New South Wales in both.
And one of the things I remember about him,
and I want to know if this sort of happened in your life,
one of the things I remember about Graeme is that his dad,
was always bowling a ball to him at the house.
So Graeme would be in the garage and his dad would bowl it along the driveway up to Graeme.
And you see Graeme, a cricket stump as a bat.
And Graeme was always, always practising, always.
And then, of course, he became, you know, played for New South Wales,
both rugby league and cricket.
Is that a sort of life...
I didn't think he was...
I never took the view that his dad was pushy.
But his dad got involved, like really got involved.
Is that a thing for elite cricketers, for example, in your case?
Did your dad really contribute a lot to you playing,
as well as playing with your mates out in the street?
My dad's the oldest of nine.
So I've got a few uncles and aunties who, at Christmas time,
when I was growing up, I was always outside playing.
And dad was very willing to come down to the net.
And even in the backyard, teach Brendan and myself how to go about it.
But probably one big person who flies under the radar
throughout my whole career has probably been my grandmother.
She's the one who taught us how to catch.
She passed away about seven years ago now,
but she played tennis up to when she was 80.
And even when we were picking up...
She picked us up from school every day throughout my whole schooling career.
A couple of days where mum wasn't working
and should get the tennis racket out the backyard
and be high catchers, low catchers to the left, to the right.
So I have to give it to my grandmother.
She taught me how to catch.
That's pretty cool.
Oh, it's amazing.
I wouldn't change it now.
Yeah, I've learnt so much from, I don't know,
just doing little things like that in the backyard.
What have you got in terms of kids now?
Does Nathan return serve to his kids
like you've enjoyed your dad coming to the nets
and your grandmother doing stuff with you all the time?
Or do you have...
Or you've had so much sport, particularly cricket, in your life
that you go, wow, I don't really want my kids to become a sports person?
Or is it a function of do the kids want to do it?
No, I'm very much getting out of the backyard
or down to the dog park or wherever we can.
And they're all about trying to catch balls.
They see dad catch balls all the time,
especially my older two.
My middle one is wanting to play start and playing cricket.
So she's into her first season of cricket.
Two of them live down in Canberra.
Yeah, so she's absolutely obsessed with that.
But me as a dad, it's about doing exactly what my dad did,
be out in the backyard, firstly get off iPads, get off that,
and we're going out and we're doing exercise and we're having fun.
We're running around, having running races, doing catches,
hand-eye coordination.
It's well documented you're a pretty nervous sort of guy
when it comes to going out there and representing your country.
By the way, I would be too.
I don't think it's something I'm not undermining it.
Do you think, though, that that sort of level of practice
helps you mentally cope with things?
You can go back and say, you know, I've got this.
Everyone gets nervous.
But the way you manage it or mediate it...
No, look, I've done this.
All my life, I know what I'm doing.
I know how to catch a ball.
My grandmother used to...
And I had a bat, you know, like even if you are coming in,
one of the last batsmen, but I know how to bowl.
Do you think those things help you mediate and or manage
the level of nervousness we all get, adrenaline,
getting flooded with adrenaline before we're about to go
into a big competition?
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I feel like, especially as a kid learning how to catch
and even with my older two, Harper and Miller,
we're trying to get them to catch tennis balls
because tennis balls are the hardest sports to catch.
In my opinion, yeah, because they bounce.
They bounce out of your hand and they're extremely hard.
If you don't catch, have the right technique, you'll drop it.
But on the nerves, I only get nervous because I care.
I care about my teammates.
I care about my performance and I love winning.
So that's why I get nervous.
Do you get more nervous as a batsman or a batsperson?
Do you get more nervous as a bowler?
No, 100% more nervous as a batter.
You look at the first ashes test at Edgbaston,
we were chasing 270 and I walked out of the bat with 55 runs to get
and before Alex Carey got dismissed, I said to Josh Hazelwood,
I said, are you nervous or is it just me?
Because Josh is just a country kid just laid back and he goes,
oh, well, no, we're not expected to do it.
But I know I care about the team so much.
I'm nervous because you've got all the Australian public,
all the Australian fans who have travelled over the Edgbaston,
a pretty hostile crowd, and they want you to go out there
and win this game of cricket.
So I get nervous because I care and I care so much about my teammates,
firstly, but the team performance and winning because I've been given
the honour of leading the team song from Mike Hussey back in 2012.
And that's the best thing in my career.
I honestly believe you get that honour to lead that song to make it extremely
special for people who are potentially making debut,
staff members who don't get the recognition of what they should,
whether that's the medical staff or the coaches or milestones.
It's been Steve Smith lately throughout my whole career.
I've seen him to be talking about him the whole time during the lead up,
into the song, but I know I feel like it's such a massive honour.
So that's why I care because I want to win.
So caring, does that mean – that's a pretty cool word.
Not many sports people would use that word.
They mostly would say, you know, I'm a winner and I'm competitive and, yeah,
that's sort of – at least that's my sense of it.
I don't know what they all say, but I can imagine Dave would be saying,
I want to win, I'm a winner, I'm a competitive guy.
You know, like, oh, I've got to win.
By the way, another ruse.
But they're not bad.
There's two bloody good creators.
When you say you care, do you mean you see these guys in your team,
for example, like brothers?
I mean, when I say brothers, you know what I mean, like real compatriots,
like brothers in arms.
You're out there.
You have a job to do.
As a team, you're representing the country not only as an individual,
You want them all to look to become – and I'm only asking a question.
Do you want them all to look the very best they can be?
Is that what you're trying to get out for them?
You want them all to come out shining as well as yourself?
Yeah, 100%, because I feel like in team, in cricket,
it's an individual game for three seconds in the big scheme of things.
But you actually can't do anything else without your teammates.
And by me talking about caring, I get more enjoyment out of seeing my mates
be extremely successful.
You asked a question about do I see them as brothers.
Yeah, I generally do because we spend so much time away from our families,
our loved ones, that you get to know these guys inside out.
You're always going for dinner.
You're always going for breakfast.
You knock on the door.
You're laying on the same bed watching a movie.
You're playing PlayStation, playing a round of golf.
But we're together all the time.
So, yeah, I generally do see the guys as your brothers.
I know it's pretty cliche and you hear a lot of sports people say that,
but I get so much more enjoyment seeing Mitch Stark come in and take five for all,
bowl Rory Burns, first ball of the ashes, and seeing that enjoyment that they go through.
But I know I also can't win without those guys.
So how do you feel when?
They get criticised.
I love Dave Warner.
He's just a good guy.
I like him a lot.
And I don't know him very well.
I've met him a couple of times.
I don't know him very well, just from what I can see.
But he gets criticised a lot.
The media give him a hard time.
And there's expectations, which is fair enough.
The media can have expectations and the public have expectations.
But how does someone like Nathan Lyon feel when one of his teammates gets criticised?
And what do you do in those situations?
Do you sort of just pretend?
It hasn't happened?
Do you walk up and say, hey, mate, I read the thing.
It was pretty shitty.
How do you go about that?
The biggest thing about everyone's opinions, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
I've got no drama to that.
Whether you're a media, whether you're a social keyboard warrior,
everyone's got their opinion.
But within the Australian cricket team, everyone knows what's happening.
So the biggest thing when I first started playing cricket,
it would be either.
Your parents or your brother or your uncle or whoever it may be would message you
or say, oh, did you see what they said in the paper?
And you're like, no, I'm trying not to read that.
Because that's purely someone else's opinion who's outside the circle of trust,
who's looking in and making a judgment call.
But it is really hard.
And I feel as a teammate, all I can do is making sure that I'm supporting them publicly,
probably more than anything.
So they know that, okay, no, I know he's got my back.
And I think that's the biggest thing within playing professional sport.
If you know your teammates are going out there and you know that they've got your back
when shit happens or you're up against the wall,
you've got someone to put your arm around and say, you know what, it's going to be okay.
If we get back to doing our skill set, playing on skill and no emotion,
then we're going to move forward in the right direction.
I mean, that's an Australian cricket side has a reputation as being pretty tough.
Like our rugby league sides and rugby union sides, they're tough lads, like tough together.
Hard, like sort of quite hard on the outside in that it's hard to break in and really upset them
and or rattle them.
I mean, everyone gets rattled, but it's hard as a group.
You sort of form a group.
And I remember Phil Gould once said to me, the rugby league coach, he said to me,
he said, Mark, the way when he was coaching State of Origin, he said,
the way I coach the team in terms of if Queensland try to pull out one of the players
and give them a hard time, he said, my saying is if you pull the cat's tail,
you get the whole fucking cat.
And there's nothing better than that feeling if you're in an environment where people are attacking you.
Is the New South Wales, so is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
is the Australian cricket teams meant,
that not only are we going to put our armour on and say, it's all good, mate,
but is it sort of go to that level that, fuck you, take us on,
you're going to get all of us and we're going to come out
and we're going to go even harder?
Yeah, I genuinely think it is.
And I think you can see that off the back of the ashes.
If we go to the ashes a couple of months ago at Lords where all the stuff happened,
which when they boys walked off the field,
there but I was on crutches so I had a different view of it but by the time I got up to the
change room after all the guys were being abused through everything, the guys were laughing
about it and for me that was a great sign that all the guys were together. There wasn't
anyone sitting in the room saying, oh, nah, shit, what's happening type thing. This is
like, nah, we're in this together. We haven't done anything wrong and we're going to go
out there and keep fighting the way that Australia is doing. We're going to go out
and win this game and I feel like you talk about you pull on the cat's tail and you get
the whole cat. Davey Warner's that player for Australia. If he sees a younger player
getting sledged or having a hard time with some other players, he's one guy who will
stand up there and stand in front of it and take it on. I played with David for the last
And it's been incredible. I think he's the most generous guy I've ever met but he's been
absolutely incredible and Australia's going to miss him when he retires, that's for sure.
Generous in terms of spirit, you mean, and emotions?
Everything, everything. He's got this real hard edge on him but deep down he cares about
each and every one of his teammates and unless you break him down you'd probably say that
but he gives it his all.
He gives it his all.
He's got this really big, good persona off it. He is tough, which he is, but he's got
a big, generous heart in him, that's for sure.
Can I take Nathan Lyne back to, let's say, when you were in your 20s and you were working
in South Australia, looking after the grounds or something like that?
Yeah, well I'll take you back a little bit further. When I was 18 I left, finished school
and I moved straight over to Canberra to chase my cricket dream. I wanted to play first class
cricket and that was my stepping stone because even before that when I was 15 I got told by
a New South Wales staff at New South Wales Cricket that if I wanted to play first class
cricket I had to leave home and move up to Sydney, otherwise you weren't going to make
it. And to tell a 15-year-old who lives at home, who's 7,000 people is the population,
takes him two minutes to get to school, that I had to come live in Sydney, go to school
here, it didn't sit well with me.
Canberra became my avenue to hopefully to play first class cricket. And anyway, so I
moved over to Canberra and I was unemployed for two days. And I had a phone call from
Andrew Dawson, my ACT cricket coach at the time there, and he said, there's an apprenticeship
at Marnica Oval, would you like to take it? I said, oh, okay, let me have a think. And
anyway, my dad's my sounding board. So I called dad and I said, dad, I've been offered a
career in cricket.
I've been offered a career in job at Marnica. He goes, what are your thoughts? And I said,
well, I don't really know if I want to take it because as a cricketer, if you don't get
runs, you're just playing the wicket. And if you don't get to take wickets, you're playing
the wicket as well. So I don't want to be that one, one getting blamed for making poor
pitches or flat pitches or whatnot. And dad said, you're absolutely stupid. You're ridiculous.
You're unemployed. Take the job. So I called back up and Andrew, I said, yeah, I'd love
I went to Marnica on Monday, fell in love with it by Monday afternoon. And it wasn't
until I did all my apprenticeship there and about three and a half years into it, a guy
called Ashley Ross, who was a former ACT coach as well that I played under, who was
living in Adelaide and said, Adelaide, we need an off-spin bowler, but we also need
a fully qualified curator. Les Bedette, the head curator at the time, retired. So the
stars were kind of aligning for me. Anyway, I flew down to Adelaide. I was in Adelaide.
I was in Adelaide. I was in Adelaide. I was in Adelaide. I was in Adelaide. I was in
Adelaide one day in, what, 2010, mid-year. Walked into the office and the head curator
who's there now, still now, Damien Hoff, who I'm very good friends with, he said, no, you've
got the job. You got the job. So you moved down. You start next week. So I had to basically
move everything up and drive down to Adelaide. And yeah, Mark Sorrell at the time was the
And Damien Hoff, the head curator, went up to him and said, look, I don't want another
cricketer. I want someone who's going to be committed to work and want to work Saturdays
and take a lot of pride in their work. And really, I want this to work for a long term.
And Mark Sorrell said, yep, I've seen him play. Yep, he'll come bowl at lunchtime and
he'll try his hardest. But no, he'll be a curator. Don't worry about that. So thankfully,
sorry, Mark, but thankfully he got sacked.
So I only worked in Adelaide for three and a half months before I got my first state
call up into the Big Bash.
What was it like being down there watching blokes that you looked up to in Adelaide?
I thought it was incredible. That was my first ever test match. So the 2010 Ashes test match
against England at Adelaide Oval.
Is it that much your first ball?
No, no, no. This is, I was working still.
Still working. And I was amazed by it. That was my first ever test match I've ever been
live. As a kid, never went to any test match live.
Oh, you went to, you mean you attended a test match?
Yeah, just sitting on the roller, watching the guys play on the ground that you helped
create. And the way I look at greenkeeping, curating, it's a form of art in my eyes. You
got to take a lot of pride in it.
And performing, making sure that the facilities are up to scratch.
You nearly reached out and touched them.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I had Kevin Peterson actually sledge me when I was running the
covers on because he thought we were trying to delay the game. But as curators, all we
wanted to do was make sure that wicket didn't get wet and that we were doing our job. And
he out and told me politely where to go. But I didn't really take much notice of that.
I was doing my job.
Can you take me now forward to the first time you represented your country?
Yeah. So, it's only about nine months later. So, it's a fast, fast ride.
A hundred percent.
Yeah. A fast ride, this one. And before I actually got over to Sri Lanka, I got told
in a pretty unique way. My coach at the time, Darren Berry, called me at 11 o'clock on a
Saturday night. And I'm like, what's wrong? I didn't answer it because I was in bed. So,
then I was up for the next hour going, have I done something wrong on Twitter or Instagram?
Why has my coach called me at 11 o'clock?
And the voice message just said, can you call me ASAP when you wake up? So, I called
him at 7.30. He goes, right, can I meet you at the local cafe at 8 o'clock in the morning
in Adelaide? I said, yeah, okay. He said, okay. And I just see you there. So, I got
down there and he goes, oh, I just wanted to be the first one to tell you, you're going
to be picked in the test team. And I said, ah, bullshit, Chuck. There's no way this is
happening. I'm looking for candid cameras around, making sure that someone's not trying
to take a piss. And he goes, no, I just want to be the one to tell you.
It's getting named tomorrow and you're going over to Sri Lanka. But then he goes, oh, for
the next 24 hours, you can't tell anyone because it's, you can't get out in the media that
you're getting picked because it's going to be a big story. So, I couldn't believe,
firstly, he told me I was going to be on my first Australian tour, but then he told me
I couldn't tell anyone.
Did you ring your dad?
Yeah. So, I ended up ringing dad and dad's words were, oh, yeah, let's just, don't get
It's, nothing's happened yet. And so, just, and then hung up and, but then that all happened.
Then I got a text message from Michael Clark saying, g'day, youngster. Nice to meet you
and looking forward to having you over in Sri Lanka. And it's like, okay, this is getting
real now. And then suddenly a big tip bag with all my clothes turned up. And so, then
I just sat in the lounge in basically all my plain whites, just, just dreaming about
Yeah. Jumped on a plane and went to Sri Lanka, which was pretty amazing. Then received my
bag of green off Greg Chappell.
Helped me out. Was that played in Gaul?
I was playing Gaul.
Great little town or city, whatever you call it, down from Colombo. It's a bit of a, not
that easy to get to in terms of transport. Must have been a bit of a, I haven't a few
years, sort of arrived in a place like Sri Lanka. Like it's, you know, like it's one
thing to play cricket there against Sri Lankan, they get that bit. But the place itself, you
hadn't, you're a country kid.
You hadn't travelled a lot at that stage.
Nah, that was my third trip overseas.
And that, that would have been a bit of an eye opener for you, going from Colombo, or
just being in Colombo for a second when you, when you first land. I don't know if you stayed
overnight, but then you would have had to go down to Gaul. And that's a bit of a mission
in terms of travelling. Was that in any way overwhelming to you?
Yeah, bloody oath.
I can imagine it would, because I've done it myself and it was a bit overwhelming for
me. And I was a lot older than you were when you went there.
This is a country kid and I was 23 at the time.
And I remember flying in and then just the amount of tuk-tuks everywhere, the amount
of people on the roads. Literally, it takes, where I grew up, it took me five minutes to
get around, across the town, one edge to the other edge. And now I'm driving around in
the middle of Colombo and then down to Gaul, which, with the amazing fort there. And yeah,
it, I know I've got to pinch, I've still got to pinch myself to think about the journey.
That I've been fortunate enough to be on, that's for sure.
Do you remember your first ball?
I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that. So Greg Chappell presented me with my
hat and I thought that was the best thing that's ever happened. As a kid with my brother,
my uncle's dad, we all dreamt of playing cricket for Australia. So I remember getting my baggy
green and off Greg Chappell.
And then sitting on the bus on the way home and I just sent a message to my family saying,
finally got our baggy green. And that's been the message throughout the whole family, I
guess. So I'll never forget that. But then we batted all day one. Then I remember going
up to day two and Michael Clarke coming up to me at drinks saying, right, youngster,
you ready to go? And a few deep breaths.
And then Ricky Ponting come over and just told me to back my skill, tapped me on the
back side. Then Mike Hussey just come up and said, mate, you just got to smile. I said,
what do you mean? I'm shit nervous. What do you mean smile? And he goes, as soon as you
smile, we'll go back to what you know best. And to stand at the top of my mark, look around
and look who I'm playing with. It's pretty amazing. But then to bowl, to bowl a ball
and be fortunate enough to dismiss one of the all-time great batters in Kumar Sengakara.
It's a, yeah, getting goosebumps now talking about it.
It's pretty amazing. Was it, was it televised?
So, so your, your family would have been watching it, no doubt.
Yeah. Yeah. So mum, mum and dad were still out and young. And I remember calling dad
the day before and I said, dad, I'm going to play, I'm playing tomorrow.
I'm not just picked in the group, but I'm now playing.
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Yeah, and Dad was working out the back of Tamora,
which is about 30 minutes west of Yonge.
And I said, Dad, I'm playing.
And Dad's simple words were, oh, that's good.
At least you'll play one game and hung up.
So I've since found out that he was too emotional to talk about it.
And he didn't want it so that he was getting emotional to me.
But then Mum and Dad made the journey over to the second test.
In that game, you not only took in your first ball a wicket,
but what happened in terms of the record, or not the record,
but how well did you bowl for the whole game?
I took my first ever five-four, which was pretty amazing.
And we went on to win that game.
And I remember Mike Arce leading the team song up at the fort,
on top of the fort.
So we jumped in the bus and we were having a few beers.
I've never witnessed anything like it before.
I'll never forget that moment of singing the first team song on top of the fort.
It was extremely special.
Arm in arm was Ricky Ponning and Michael Clarke and Shane Watson
and Brad Harden, Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Phil Hughes,
Usman Khawaja, and having Mike Arce in the middle.
It was, yeah, pretty special.
So you and Khawaja, you've probably been around about the same length of time.
You might have started a bit earlier than you.
It was as he debuted the test before me.
So sort of around about the same time.
You're both sort of long-termers.
So I want to just fast forward a little bit because I know that,
well, I don't know, but I want to ask you about preparation as an individual.
I know you've now got this new business, whether it's a business or not,
but it's definitely a platform.
It's called GOATED, G-O-A-T-D.
And you're showcasing lots of different things.
There's a lot of different sports people on there and where people can sort of go in there and interact.
Fans can go in there and interact with those individuals.
And I know I've been looking at your Instagram and a couple of things I see you talk about is get an inside look
about how people prepare, prepare for games, in your case career, but in their case it could be football,
rugby league, whatever it is.
I want to ask you a question about preparation because it's one thing to say, you know,
I'm a first baller and I'm kind of bowled the bloke out and et cetera.
But obviously there's a lot more ghost and a lot more to it.
It's like it's all the preparation that goes into it.
How does Nathan Lyon or how do you view preparation for a start?
And I mean, it's not like Shane Warne would be walking around with his figures hanging out and whatever.
He always comes across to me as someone who didn't really prepare that well,
but just super natural.
He could just do whatever he wanted.
But how does Nathan Lyon approach this preparation?
It's a good question.
For me, preparation is the nuts and bolts of everything.
When you're preparing, you're preparing firstly to get better as a cricketer for me in my,
because I've never met anyone to conquer the game of cricket and I don't think I'll ever will.
And I've played against some of the greats of the game.
What does that mean, conquer the game?
I'll never met, like there's three areas where you can be the best in business,
best in the world in three different areas.
And I've never met anyone.
The closest person for me to conquer the game in all three areas would have to be Jax Callis.
But then also you can throw the mental side of the game in there as well.
And to be resilient and to perform under pressure and all that stuff.
But preparation for me, it guides you to having success.
So for me, it's all about making sure that I'm trying to get better each and every day.
And I didn't, at the start of my career, I didn't know what preparation was.
I thought it was go down and bowl 10 overs, then hit 50 balls and catch 20 balls and done.
But now playing 122 test matches, over 200 first class games or whatever,
I've now realised that your preparation is so much more than that.
It's the way you look after your body.
It's the fitness, the mental.
It's the strength that you focus on, the planning that you go into.
The skills speak for their own.
You're always looking to try and get better with your skill set.
So, yeah, I feel like preparation is absolutely the nuts and bolts.
And it provides you to have that success.
And when you have that success, you shouldn't be surprised by it
if you know you've done the work in the training, your preparation and everything else.
At what point did you...
Did you realise that from now on, it has to be the natural talent plus preparation,
in other words, training, and not only just training, but how I treat myself,
how I eat, nutrition, sleep, what my social environment's like?
I think there's a part of growth that goes into that.
But one moment that just really stands out on top of my head would be
we were in Trinidad and Tobago and I would have been about 10 test matches in.
And Justin Langer was the assistant coach at the time.
He was the batting coach.
And he sent me a message.
He said, guys, can you just come to my room?
I've got something for you.
So I went and sat on the edge of his bed and sat there.
And he's like, right, okay, you've played 10 test matches now.
Now we're expecting you to win games of cricket.
Win for Australia.
Yeah, win games of cricket for Australia.
So that was a bit of a smack in the face to say, right, okay, wake up here.
This is a real business and this is now up to you to go.
But become great.
And don't be afraid of becoming great.
So that was one big moment where I was, okay, yep.
So how do I do that?
So then I watched Ricky Ponting.
I watched Mike Hussey.
I watched Michael Clarke.
I watched Brad Hutton.
How they prepare.
What are they doing different?
What are they doing that I'm not doing?
And I'm a massive believer that your colleagues, whether that's in the workforce
or the guys you play professional sport with,
they're your best coaches.
They're the best people to learn off.
They're the best ones to ask questions off.
And for the next, I know a little bit, I probably annoyed the Christ out of Ricky
Ponting and Mike Hussey, especially those two.
But I feel like those two individuals were the greats of the game in international
cricket, just not Australian cricket, and allowed me to learn so much and allowed
me to hopefully follow in their footsteps to hopefully one day become great.
Was it like business?
Was it business-like?
Did you write stuff down?
Did you then practice things and put it into some sort of program?
I can't sit here and especially talk to you about business.
But you were in the business of cricket.
Yeah, in the business of cricket.
But no, I definitely didn't think it was a business mindset for me.
It was about just a professional sportsman.
Like, okay, these guys have fun after each test, but what they're doing before the test
and the night of the games, the morning of the games, whatever it is, what are they
doing different to everyone else in the world?
So that's the way I learned.
And it probably took me a good four to five, probably six years to really find out what
my routine looks like.
And it wasn't until I moved to Sydney from Adelaide in 2013 that I got working with Tom
Carter, who is a...
My personal trainer, who I do a lot of work with, away from behind closed doors, I guess,
and out of the eye of Cricket Australia and Cricket New South Wales, and understanding
that there is a lot of hard work that goes into it.
And you look at the way Ponting and Hussey went about it, and that's one big thing I
took from it, if that makes sense.
Yeah, it makes sense to me.
So you sort of, I guess, you retained an expert in sports.
Sports training or specific sports training, training for your sport.
And that means like certain gym sessions, certain maybe running, I don't know what you
did or some sort of...
Well, it's all on Go to, so you can jump on and have a look.
I'll go and have a look.
Was there science around it?
Like with this guy I've studied, you know, the science of being able to be strong around
the hips, if that's what you need to be in terms of being a spin bowler.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Tom's background, he's currently a head of rugby.
He's got 37s in this fitness stuff.
He played rugby union for, I think, around 15 years professionally for New South Wales
He's done a number of degrees.
I'm not going to try and rattle him off and do him disjustice.
But so I moved to Sydney, sat down off the back of a vice from Brad Harden to really
get, meet with Tom.
And another, he's actually from Young as well.
He's five years older than me, so I didn't come across him when I was down there.
So I sat down with Tom and he said, right, what do you want to do?
And I said, look, I want to get fit.
I want to be explosive in the field.
I want to be really springy and really strong at the crease.
They're the three things for me.
He goes, right, okay, we need to do core strength, hip mobility and leg strength.
So they're the big things that I concentrate even today.
I'll go home this afternoon, already done a gym session this morning with New South Wales
and I'll do another PT at my home here in Sydney with Tom.
Tom will come over and I'll do...
I'll do a lot of training with him this afternoon.
We'll do it again tomorrow.
Do it probably around five days out of a week when we're both in the same team,
same country, same city.
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Can I ask you what you mean by strong at the crease?
Something obviously that's related to batting.
But like, strong at the crease means what?
I mean, what do you...
It's just in my action.
You mean as you hit the ball or as you stand?
No, when I'm bowling.
When I'm bowling.
Oh, this is for bowling.
So this is when you're coming towards...
Yeah, so when I hit the crease and I'm strong at the crease,
it allows me to put more revs on the ball to hopefully get more spin on the ball.
And is that in your feet?
Are you talking about...
It starts at your feet, yeah.
It starts in your feet.
In my opinion, yeah.
Yeah, and when you say springy, springy in terms of when you're batting or when you're fielding?
No, in the fielding.
Being able to move laterally and...
Hopefully your calf stays together.
Or sometimes they don't.
Sometimes they explode.
Yeah, but yeah, so it was about springy being explosive as well
and being the difference in the field and fielding off my own bowling is a big key for me.
So, and as you've gotten older,
do you feel as though you have to spend more time on that prep stuff?
Because when you're younger, you sort of can rely on everything being okay.
Usually most things work for you.
But as you get older, sometimes, you know...
Things don't respond the way you want them to respond.
Yeah, definitely.
And I'm learning that now.
Well, you did learn it this year, that's for sure.
Yeah, and doing my calf, what, 15 weeks ago now, it's been my first injury in...
First ever injury in 13 years.
So I've been very, very lucky, very fortunate and extremely grateful for that.
And I think a lot of that has to do with the work that I've done with Tom, making me quite resilient and being a...
I think being a country kid also does that as well.
Being a country kid, yeah.
How does that sort of make you a bit more resilient or at least not as vulnerable?
Well, I feel like in different ways, in different ways.
Certainly, I grew up in the country playing against men at a young age.
My first first grade game against men, I was 12.
So I was 12 playing against men.
And I remember mum saying to dad, saying, oh, they've got to slow down.
They've got to slow down for him.
They've got to slow down for him.
And dad just turned around and said, if he wants to play, he's got to play.
They're not going to take it easy on him.
So I feel like that's part of my resilience.
But also, I don't know, working at Marnie Groval, lifting mowers on the back of the trucks and doing all that stuff,
that, I don't know, probably helped with a little bit of resilience in strength-wise as well.
But I don't know, I'm very grateful for the journey that I've been on with it all.
So all in all, pretty happy.
Do you think country kids, generally speaking, are fairly resilient?
And especially when I was growing up, as I said before, we didn't have any of those distractions.
But I was also working, going to work with dad, working with the Department of Agriculture.
And I was either on the back of a tractor or walking by the side of a header getting off wheat bags at the ages of 15.
So I feel like the work ethic coming from a country kid definitely provided me that.
But also, when I first started work, I was on $5.35 an hour.
So I know the value of money, but also the effort that goes into that as well.
So would you say that being a country kid might have given you mental resilience too?
Because, I mean, we haven't really talked about the mental.
We've talked about the physical side of things.
What about mental resilience?
I mean, because, you know, especially if we're getting bashed as a country, you know, we're not going so good.
And then everyone's relying on Nathan to come and do some magic for them, both batting and bowling and fielding.
How do you prep for your mental strength for a day, for a game, for the game?
Well, throughout my journey, I've realized that there's no point fearing failing.
You don't fear failure?
I feel like every time you fail, there's an opportunity to learn.
But the big thing is you can't make a mistake three, four, five times over.
I'll give you a chance to make a mistake a couple of times.
But if you need to learn each time you fail.
So, no, I don't fear failing.
So when you're bowling against, let's call it a famous batsman, what's the mental game like?
I mean, are you, is it just your skill against his?
Or is it the mental game as well?
No, it's a mental game.
Cricket, in my eyes, is a problem-solving game.
I stand at the top of my mark and I look at you, bowling to you, and you're creating a problem for me.
So I need to solve that problem quicker than what you are trying to solve my problem.
So if I can solve that problem and remove you, then I can move on to the next, like a checkers ball, I guess.
Yeah, but you actually...
Do you think about the night before, for example?
Do you go and do video sessions on who the batsman might be?
Yeah, there's plenty of planning going on and we're very lucky with the level of cricket that I've been fortunate enough to play.
We've got all the tools at our fingertips and we've got analysts giving us tips and whatnot.
But at the end of the day, it comes down for you to sit down and have conversations with your coaches,
with your captains and making sure that we're very well planned when we come out there.
We know what we're doing and that we can try.
We've got to try and solve that problem quicker than before.
Do you guys get instructions from your coach or coaching group during the game and they're saying,
look, we're noticing this about where the dude's standing.
Maybe you can put the ball a little bit wider or whatever, deliver it a bit quicker, whatever the case may be?
Yeah, there's opportunities for those discussions.
Or is that done by you?
That's done by a few of us.
At the end of the day, as a bowler, you're controlling the game.
And things don't happen until you want it to happen, if that makes sense.
As in, at my pace, when I'm ready, I release the ball.
But there's really conversations.
Steve Smith's very good at having conversations about tactically on different things.
The way he sees the game is probably a lot different to a lot of people, being the quality of cricketer that he is.
But yeah, there's opportunities to have those conversations with the coaches as well.
I want to talk about your calf.
I mean, people can't see this, but he's quite a thick-legged guy, Nathan is.
Both calves, they look all right to me.
But you've got big calves.
So what happened?
Tell me what you experienced when it happened.
We know what happened, but what was the experience?
What did I experience?
Just go right back to when you felt it.
Yeah, I actually heard it go.
So I was fielding at Lourdes.
Deep square leg to Cameron Green was bowling to Ben Duckett.
And Ben Duckett hit a ball out there, and I thought I'd be able to get there.
And I just simply went to take off, and I've, yeah, the gas drop, the muscle.
There's two muscles in the calf.
The gas drop, I basically exploded, hurt it.
It burst, yeah, yeah.
Did it snap up behind your leg?
It was a grade three tear, four-centimeter tear with an 18-centimeter bleed.
So, yeah, but I heard it go.
And I reckon I also felt my heart sink quite quickly as well.
When it happened, did you think to yourself, shit, there's some things I could have done?
Like, did you get real hard on yourself?
Are you tough on yourself?
Yeah, yeah, probably.
I think you've got to be at that level.
So did you think to yourself, shit, I didn't prepare something?
I think I got the fine comb out and went through everything and wondering, could I have done anything different?
But all in all, I feel like my preparation was the same, and that game was my 100th consecutive test in a row.
So that's something that I was very proud about, and there was a lot of talk about me being resilient and et cetera.
And in that game, your calf goes, but my prep was exactly the same.
The work ethic was exactly the same.
But we do wear GPS every game, and I played two games before that game.
And going off the GPS numbers, my workload spiked a fair bit.
In terms of distance?
Yeah, I think we covered the first game, I think I covered around 48 kilometers.
Then the second game was around 52.
So there's decent numbers there.
And so given what happened?
Have you now, do you now approach your preparation differently?
Yeah, yeah, I've had-
Overall, just in relation to your calf?
No, I think overall.
So what's the change?
I haven't had alcohol in 16 weeks.
Do you think those, as you get older, I think probably they do contribute to things not being as strong,
but do you think that's the case, or is it-
Yeah, I do think that's the case now.
I feel like I'm going to have to do more and more.
I think it's going into making sure that I'm looking after myself.
Recovery's going probably better than what it has been in the past.
I probably have taken it a little bit granted that I've been injury free until this moment.
So a big focus has been on my rehab and making sure that my recovery's going well and I'm
doing all the right stuff in the gym and trying to get better each and every day and all that
And I tell my staff, that I'm going to look at the calf muscle testing that they do and
all the fitness testings that they're stronger than before.
So that's a positive thing because I've said to myself that, and said to my wife and Tom
Carter, my personal trainer, that I want to rehab this calf injury like no one's ever
I know that sounds funny, but I'm paranoid about being in a recurrence.
Do you then become obsessed about it?
Yeah, I think I am.
I think I'm getting there.
Not overdo it, but just train extra.
Whatever you're acting on.
Look, I don't drive a bike.
I don't drive a bike.
exercises are you going to do for the rehab?
I don't think I'm getting obsessed with that.
I think I'm getting obsessed with ensuring recovery and warm-up.
I'm now getting to the ground probably about an hour and a half
or an hour before anyone else in my last shield game
and just in making sure that my preparation is on point
and I'm not skipping any hurdles or anything like that.
Can you just clear one thing up now for sure?
Nathan Lyne's not retiring with Dave Warren at the end of this year.
No, definitely not.
And your wife, you've made it clear with your wife that it's all good.
I didn't see it until it came back on Channel 7,
but yeah, I'm definitely not retiring.
You're definitely not retiring.
And in the interest of time, I can't go past this
because I do need to talk to you about it.
So the Goated, as I said earlier right at the very beginning,
are you prepping yourself?
Are you prepping yourself for life after cricket?
And is the Goated platform, is that part of that process?
Or is it more a giving back process?
I think it's a bit of both,
but I think it's probably more 80% of giving back
because it started around the dinner table with my father-in-law, Mike,
and my wife, Emma, and we're talking about there's a story that goes along
that when I was in young as a kid,
We drove to Canberra to watch the Shield game
and there was some test players playing in the New South Wales team
and we walked around the fence and mum and dad let us walk around the fence
so they could still see our little heads above the fence
and the Australian hats and we just waited for this player's signature
and he said, I'll do it at the end of the day.
And so we waited the whole day.
Then he went in the changing rooms,
coming out of the changing rooms and walked straight to his car
and he said, I'll do it tomorrow.
And I was in tears.
Yeah, because we weren't coming.
Back tomorrow, we were in the car for an hour and a half back home
and that's always stuck with me
that we're role models in so many different ways as professional athletes
and if I can make an impact on someone, some kid or some fan's life
to have that two minutes of my day out of the way to make their day,
then I'll do that.
So this is where Goated's been born
and the mountain.
One of the messages I get on Instagram and Twitter
asking for advice on how to bowl off breaks.
It's incredible and I'd love to be able to give back
and reply to everyone but I'll sit down and reply to five of them
and there's another 15 in there.
So they're the kid who's heartbroken because you've gone home.
Yeah, but this is why I'm doing Goated.
So on Goated is basically my whole preparation,
my whole blueprint into the way I believe,
that I need to go about off break bowling
and that's giving access to so many fans, kids,
to inspire them to go out and chase their dreams
and it's just not cricket either.
We've got Kaya Simons on there who's played 111 games for the Matildas,
was part of that incredible World Cup out here
and unfortunately she did a calf so we can hear about that
but then we've got James Tedesco coming on board as well
so we're going to get a different insight into so many things.
So many different athletes and the platform is simply to give back
to the game that's given me so much and hopefully inspire young boys
and girls to, I don't know, build a little community on the Goated platform
and really, I don't know, see where the community can take us
and I'm really passionate about it.
I cop a lot of shit for it but it doesn't worry me.
I don't think it's a good idea because there might be a thousand kids
There might be advice from you on something, some aspect.
Instead of trying to talk to a thousand kids individually,
you talk once maybe or do ten little talks that can be distributed
amongst tens of thousands of kids if they want to go onto the platform.
Mathematically, it makes a lot of sense.
It's not just paying forward but it's also being efficient
and the same would go for women's football and it goes for rugby league as well.
I mean I'm sure Teddy Tedesco is like he's one of the maddest prep
guys and I know from the Roosters set up but he's really fanatical
about how he prepares himself, particularly trying to keep himself injury free
as you get older, as you get on in the game and you've run so many thousands
of kilometres in the game.
That makes sense to me and young people, I think they really appreciate that stuff
so I think the Goated idea makes sense is that can you turn it into a –
because it takes time and there's going to be people helping you.
And you have to pay money, it costs money to you.
I mean right now you're getting paid from cricket,
you probably get paid fairly well so it's probably not such a big deal
but at some stage, have you thought about how you might turn that into a business
if you don't – in other words where people have to pay something,
a small amount, whatever, just to cover the costs of running this.
So it's pretty idealistic, running this idealistic program.
Yeah, so at the moment it's – I've got $230,000, $240,000,
40 minutes of footage, film, so sitting down with a sports psych,
batting, bowling coaches, fitness coaches and even sitting down with a former teammate
as well just to talk and it's only $23.95 I think it is and so it's 10 cents a minute
but for me it's at the moment I'd love to turn it into a big business
and really get a lot of athletes who want to give back to the game
but the key is that the athletes want to give back.
Like there's no point coming on if you don't want to give back
and inspire young boys and girls to play their game and chase their dreams.
So yeah, ideally I'd love to turn it into a big business
but for me it's about right now it's giving back.
I was only in Melbourne yesterday and we've given out 200 passes to school kids
so they can go out there and next week I'm giving out 270 more to rural New South Wales.
What, to come to clinics or passes to go on?
I'm on to the GoToWebsite.
Is it app based or is it website?
At this stage and you just jump on, like email in and the way you go,
there's 33 minutes but then you can buy the season one pass and it's $23.
I think it is but like I'm here to give back and inspire young boys
and I'm so passionate about it.
I just want to make kids realise that their dream is,
reachable because it's my story, it's my journey,
it hasn't been the normal way that you go.
I didn't play New South Wales 17s, 19s, Australian 19s into New South Wales.
I went a different way and just because you're out in the country kids
doesn't mean you can't chase your dream of playing for the Sydney Roosters
or playing for the Matildas or playing cricket for Australia
or whatever sport it may be that you're passionate about.
There's so many different avenues that you can get to where you want to get to.
Well, Nathan Lyon, thanks.
Thank you actually for giving me the opportunity to actually really understand
why your peers call you Gary the Goat.
I'm not sure about that.
I really appreciate that.
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