I'm sure you're going to love this episode of the Empowering Leaders podcast
with Olympic boxer Harry Garside.
Hard to believe, Harry, he's only 26 years of age.
Found the wisdom that he brings around masculine energy
and how he's committed to staying true to himself
in order to help others do the same is very inspiring.
He's a big believer in the fortunes and following the universal energy
that keeps him on path and the right things appearing in his life
at the right times.
He's full of wisdom.
The way he views his idols, interesting.
Matthew McConaughey as opposed to David Goggins.
You want to listen to Harry's explanation as to being careful
who you follow and who you idolise in life.
He explains the biggest influence in his life being his mum and dad.
Harry's qualified for the 2024 Paris Olympic Games in the Australian boxing team
and I bet you, you see him on the top of the podium.
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Became the first Australian Olympic boxing medalist
in more than three decades,
winning a bronze at the Tokyo Olympics in 2021.
He's delayed his professional boxing career
to chase an Australian first Olympic gold in boxing
at the Paris Olympics in 2024,
having previously won gold at the Commonwealth Games in 2018.
Harry is a great leader and role model for young males in particular,
comfortably wearing nail polish as he is today
in his Olympic campaign
and openly leading the conversation on gender stereotypes
and the importance of masculine and feminine
energy in all of us.
Harry, it's a great pleasure to meet you.
It's inspiring to see what you've done.
Thanks for having me on, Dars.
Great to see you.
You dedicated yourself to doing something no Australian
has ever done before.
That's Olympic gold in boxing.
Can you see yourself on the top of the podium?
It's so interesting because prior to the last Olympics,
visualisation is a massive part of what athletes do
and many high performers do.
And I could always visualise myself on the podium,
but I can never see myself in the middle.
And it is a great feeling to visualise myself now.
I've been doing it for the last few months
and I can see myself in the middle.
And I'm sure over the next few months,
there'll be times where I don't see it,
but a massive portion of my time now,
I can see myself in the middle of the podium,
which is a nice feeling.
That's fascinating to me,
even with all the preparation
and bronze is an extraordinary achievement,
something that has been incredibly hard to come by.
But somewhere in your mind,
you think there was a hurdle that stopped you
from going that extra bit?
Yeah, I've always thought in my life,
that I've had this inferiority complex.
And I think it's not what's actually true in your life.
It's the stories that you believe, right?
And I believe that for a massive portion of my life,
that I'm not good enough.
And I think that played out
when it comes to the Tokyo Olympics.
And I think there was something inside of me
that thought that I couldn't beat Andy Cruz Gomez,
the Cuban who I lost to in the semifinal.
And I think that's why I couldn't see myself
in the middle of the podium.
And it's nice, I guess,
now to do the work since 2021
and to be in the position I am now.
And I guess you have a bit more self-confidence
and a bit more confidence in yourself.
And I have a stronger relationship with self,
And Harry, I understand the work started for you
as a 16-year-old,
as part of the Reach Foundation,
which is an incredible legacy.
The great Jimmy Steins,
who are fortunate enough to play against
and spend a lot of time.
One of the most inspirational people
that I've ever met, Jimmy.
And I suspect, I don't suspect,
I know he would be incredibly proud of you,
the person you are and the way you handle yourself.
Did you ever meet Jimmy?
And can you tell us about what Reach did for you?
No, unfortunately, I didn't get the opportunity to meet.
his legacy lives on so strong in Reach.
And the impact they had on my life personally
and the impact that I've seen
that it has had on many young people
is honestly so profound.
I think the organization
and organizations like that are so powerful
because I think you catch a kid
at the right moment, right time,
you can change their life for the better.
And that's what organizations like Reach do.
And I'm so grateful that they met me.
And I truly, I always say this,
but I wouldn't be the man that I am now
if it wasn't for them.
Well, you're living, breathing,
proof of it for me, Harry.
I'm sitting across from a 26-year-old young man
who's got what I think is an incredible sense of self.
And you can express that in ways
that most of us aren't comfortable with.
We're in the most alpha of male sports.
Boxing is the ultimate combat sport for me.
And I've got that much respect
for anyone who gets in the ring.
But at the same time, as I said in the intro,
you're comfortable wearing your nail polish.
You're comfortable putting on a skirt
and that wisdom that you've got
around expressing what masculine and feminine energy is.
Most of us don't have any idea of ourselves
still at this age.
How did you get that sense of self so young?
Yeah, I've always been really curious.
And I guess I've always asked,
I think it's the high-performing nature
of being an athlete.
I'm sure you realize this in your AFL career, right?
Like you're always asking more of yourself,
always reflecting on self and your performance
so you can be better.
And I know being in an individual sport,
I'm always searching myself for more answers.
And I guess that has also transitioned
into other parts of my life,
which is amazing.
So through the help of REACH
and my sporting career,
just always asking myself more,
wanting to be better,
wanting to discover more.
And I realized that I'm searching for the edge.
I'm searching for the answers
and I hope I never find them
because it will just keep me searching.
And I love that, Harry.
Again, it's wisdom that,
you know, a lot don't get.
You know, the Japanese talk about
constant never-ending self-improvement.
The people I see are the 80-year-olds
that are on the path of still learning and curious.
And I'll ask you about curiosity
a bit across this podcast.
But I love this quote from you.
You know, you said,
and I'll get it hopefully right,
I'm a boxer with a mullet and tattoos
who's a plumber who does ballet.
I hope a young person sees this
and thinks I can be whatever I want to be.
That is incredibly inspiring, Harry.
You must be proud of that.
Yeah, it's so interesting.
And I truly believe that
every human has that inside of them.
We have things that coexist
and we have things that we like one thing
and then we don't like
and it's actually totally fine to have that.
And that's the most beautiful,
I believe the most beautiful thing
about being human is
you can have conflicting interests inside yourself.
And I think we often,
it's hardwired in us,
but we like to stereotype,
we like to generalize
because it's easier for our brain.
But to like think that someone does this job
so that must mean they act like this.
It's like, I don't think that's true, right?
We're so complex and unique and beautiful
and you can do a job like this
but then also be very fascinated in history
or the performance arts.
That's totally fine.
And I'm really grateful
that I guess I have that mindset
of like just expressing and exploring
whatever comes up.
And in 10 years time,
I could be interested in something
that I have no interest in right now.
That's totally fine too.
And we're all weird, aren't we?
When you think of that,
we're all strange.
You know, you just got to courage
to express that more.
If you delve into everyone's private life,
there's strange stuff going on for all of us.
And we, you know,
some people have their deepest, darkest seat.
When you say them out loud,
it sort of takes the myth out of it, doesn't it?
It's like discrimination or anything.
Why would you discriminate against someone
because of their sexual preference
or because they wear nail polish?
It's bizarre when you think about it,
but it's caused so much hatred.
You seem to be able to tread that better
than almost anyone I've seen.
I find it really,
I guess for some of the stuff that I do,
I guess being in a super masculine,
male-dominated sport like boxing,
I cop a lot of criticism
for wearing the nail polish
or being in dresses sometimes
and stuff like that.
Does it ever get you?
There is times where you're writing back
it's just stuff you, mate,
but then you delete anything, mate.
Don't, just, just,
It's part of the nature.
But I actually think what it is,
what is actually playing out
for those people who write those comments
or who try and bring people down,
it shows where they're not free in their own life
and where there is something internal,
whether they know it or not,
but there's something internal
where they look at me and go,
he's free to express himself
however he sees fit.
I want to do that,
because I'm so scared
and other people's opinions.
of what people might think of me.
of my dad's criticism
or my partner's criticism,
my friend's criticism
or did something different.
They stay in line
and they critique people.
And that's what I think it is.
I'm just trying more people
to explore themselves
and whatever comes out,
that's fine, right?
As long as you don't hurt anyone else,
like that's all that matters.
Like life is made to enjoy
and experience things
and do wild things.
And you walk into a room,
and you've got joy,
You've got an energy about you
that makes you smile
sitting across from you here today.
And I think you're right,
When we're judging someone else
and we all do it,
I'm guilty of it all the time
oh, that person really shits me,
I don't like that about behaviour
but if I stop and think,
there's a bit of me in that.
There's a bit of what I'm not good at
and I'm reflecting that on them.
Is that part of how you see it as well?
I always see that with my dad, right?
Me and my dad are so similar
and I love him to bits
but there's often times
where I will judge
or criticise him internally.
Sometimes I'll let him go
and I'll let him go.
And I think that's because
it's where I'm not free
and the things that I'm trying
to work on myself
and I see that in my dad
and I'm sure that happens
on a large scale as well
life always throws a hand grenade
no matter what is coming along
and we then get the chance to do it.
You get off a plane from South Africa
returning from shooting
a reality TV show,
you land in Sydney,
you get arrested at the airport,
you've since been cleared
of all the charges.
just how tough that was
For me personally,
that was the hardest period
I always do like a little recap
at the end of the year,
especially going into December.
I'll view all my memory
and I was viewing some videos
especially in the three weeks
when I was going through the process
and the charges hadn't been dropped
and some of the videos
were so confronting
just seeing how low
and I'd never experienced
anything that serious
what was going on, right?
But it's in those moments
where you find out
who you are, right?
It's in those moments.
you never want tough times
when you're in them
but like now that I'm through it,
I'm so grateful that happened.
And so when you look back on that,
you get into a dark space
and I suppose you find
out who your friends are
pretty quickly, don't you,
in that situation as well?
Did you find out people
at your toughest moment?
Yeah, it's so interesting.
It's the world we live in
right now too, right?
This cancel culture
and it's so interesting.
who backed me prior to that
there was podcast,
one of my favorite podcast shows
deleted the episode
and I was friends
with the people, right?
like that none of them
none of them checked in,
Organizations that they,
they have all these
or brands, sorry,
that were backing me,
they have all these things
about supporting your bros,
and they support Movember
and do stuff like that
and they don't check in on you
when you're going through
there's a lot of people
who do this stuff
just to make themselves look
like they have integrity
and look like they,
they're keeping up
like everyone else.
they're good brands
but when push comes to shove,
I guess you realize
I'll talk so highly of,
from Swiss Multivitamins
and Hamish McLaughlin,
we recorded something
earlier in the year
and when I went through that,
apparently his producers
called him and said,
what are we going to do about Harry?
We're going to release the episode
I'm going to stand by him
and I'll always love
Hamish McLaughlin for that
because he had no loyalty to me
but he showed his,
and showed the type of man
It's great to hear.
A great friend of mine
I worked with on the week
and not surprised at all
that's left Harry
from those events,
people read the headlines,
see cleared of all charges.
of what happens in you?
Can you move on completely
from something like that?
it's interesting.
I think I'll probably notice
the scars the most
when I probably date again.
that's the area where
absolutely there's a few wounds
that I'll probably have to address
when that time comes.
hold something inside.
maybe this is just me
but we're all like
a little bit spiteful
or resentful for,
things that happen to us
and then my circle
got smaller this year
I'm grateful for that too.
I'm at the age now
I just turned 26 this year
you start realizing
that life's not about
having heaps of friends,
it's about having
and I'm really grateful
you're a great beacon
of what's a huge challenge
for the world at the moment.
there's a mental health epidemic
at record numbers
but it seems like
you're this great leader
for the generation
of living an authentic life.
What's your advice
struggling a little bit?
It's a really interesting thing.
change my answer on this
I'm a firm believer
we often make promises
and I can reflect
when I have been my lowest.
It's when I don't
uphold those promises
and you get to the point
making the promises
and then you feel
that flat about yourself
because you don't even believe
that you have your own word
that you don't even believe
The times that I feel
the best about myself
those little promises
and I uphold them
for a period of time
where I felt the best
obviously prior to comp
is when you're training
that 1% is outside
and you're upholding
and being the person
that you say you are
for an amount of time
that are out of our control
that can derail us
strong and stable
and secure in myself
because I've upheld
I can attack those
So what's an example
that you give to yourself
that works for you?
when I am my flattest
the one thing I do
because it's actually
quite a challenging thing
We all love to eat
especially in Western Civilization
And a lot of emotional eating too
when you're struggling
picking one thing
that you're going
to achieve tomorrow
cleaning your house
for a period of time
like that feeling
you were going to do
and the man in the mirror
that is so important
and little things
that I try and do
I want a bit of a
as I just competed
but I've made a deal
I'm going to train
we're supposed to have
days off as athletes
they'll just be like
a little 3 or 5k run
just nice and cruisy
but that is a deal
that I've made with myself
I'm on my down period
but I have to train
is fascinating too
I've read a lot about it
where people do fast
have got a lot of science
and thousands of years
it's just sort of
a lost art isn't it
you give your body a rest
you're not dying today
you can go without food
for a long time actually
and you find that
you can have the discipline
it just gives your body
of course there is
scientific benefits
but I do it more so
for having my word
and I guess having
a stronger sense of self
and it's a great feeling
take back control
and there's so much
is out of our control
or by other people
when we feel our best
was on this podcast
the Charlotte Hornets
Michael Jordan's team
and he talks about
the miracle morning
which is actually a book
and visualisation
and a lot of people
so when you commit
you've got that wisdom
pretty comfortably
when I was reading
all your stuff Harry
in preparation for this
and I was taken by it
I loved listening
and how you've spoken
and I was thinking
about Scott Galloway
if you've seen his work
he's an American academic
a really intelligent voice
are twice as likely
three and a half times
more likely to suicide
nine times more likely
the most dangerous person
because of what I think
you're an expert in
how to be masculine
the young generation
actually supposed to be
over the next five years
I think there's a war
on masculinity right now
toxic masculinity
it does my head in
because it isn't toxic
there is negative parts
and societal norms
you mean stuff like that
but being masculine
from my experience
that there is something
this masculine energy
that wants to be secure
and be the protector
of the people around me
and I'm sure you feel that
you've got a family
I'm sure you feel that right
and that is beautiful
and that is needed
and society needs that
it also needs a beautiful
feminine energy too
to be the receiver
they need that right
there's like a little war
young men especially
that they've got this energy
this rambunctious nature
they can't help that right
and then they're being told
don't act like that
so what do they do
and it comes out in ugly ways
and then someone like Andrew Tate
and sort of gives them a voice
they're going to follow him
it's because everyone is telling
they can't act like that
I think masculinity
but it's beautiful
when you learn to control it
I think combat sport
not just young men
the ability to feel confident
in their own body
and to feel secure
in their own body
happened around them
they would be safe enough
to take care of themselves
and people around them
but when you keep
emasculating people
I reckon it comes out
in really ugly ways
and I agree with you
starting to prosecute
it's a very sensitive thing
someone's going to
break in the door
and charge the family
and I hope the masculine
it's pretty valuable
you've got a family of four
aggression to be there
you don't want to
hide away from that
it's someone like
who captures young men
but underneath it
is this misogynistic message
that is really unhelpful
it's captivating for young men
because they're looking
they're looking for
I suggest they go to
a brilliant author
four million copies
stage you're not at yet
but globally renowned author
and he talks about
being in auditoriums
or he spoke to me
and thousands of women
he's really sought after
and a lot of mums
and raising girls
and then he started asking
the question he was saying
to me in these audiences
well what do you want
what do you actually want
and he was saying
like the words come out
really really quickly
and it starts with
first of all they say
the good looking rooster
once you get through all that
then they start going
hey I want a bloke
I want him to have a go
I don't want a guy soft
so there's all these
sort of words you write
on the whiteboard
but then on the other side
but I also want him
and I also want him
to care a little bit
I want him to be a good dad
I want him to be empathetic
and he sums it up
really what you're after
and I think it's a beautiful way
what you're saying as well
you don't want to lose
but maybe we bring more heart
for males who are in good shape
I couldn't agree more
it was going to hit the fan
they're the people
that people turn to
that's who you want
leading the house
that's who you want
but then you also want
someone who's in control
of their emotions
there is a massive portion
I think it's getting better
I'm obviously not
in the school system
the feminine energy
and females on scale
emotional intelligence
it's really nice to see
emotional intelligence
of their emotions
and not let the emotions
get the better of them
I think the world
would be a better place
control your emotions
it's pretty helpful
playing the role I play
that's almost part
you don't succeed
but then when you finish
sometimes being a parent
you start screaming
having a beautiful partner
to teach you more
of that emotional
that's not appropriate
you need to learn
and it can be learned
it's a discussion
that needs to be had
I credit with you
the way that you're able
we say in our world
success leaves clues
and I love sitting down
with different people
going to the Olympics
I love the difference
and we start with the idea
it's hard to lead
unless you have an idea
of self-leadership
of self-leadership
yeah it's interesting
I think being an athlete
and I've always been
with taking control
from an early age
I had a lot more lenience
compared to my brothers
I think my older brother
me and my parents
were a bit more strict on him
oh we've just given up
how many siblings
I think when I went
and teachers tell you
and everyone's telling you
how to live your life
and I really found
even from a young age
I would feel this
and making the decisions
just standing stable
and if you don't know
challenge yourself
and find out who you are
and that's a really
beautiful journey
is trying to find out
especially before
there's great studies
he's our youngest
you do run out of gas
emotional intelligence
positively impact
people on a daily
is that something
has this beautiful quote
life's biggest truism
about us as individuals
it's about the impact
we can have on others
don't realize that
until they probably
and I've realized
I guess I've spent
is when I've noticed
this but 23 years old
I was just so focused
and individualized
it's about the impact
we can have right
I'm trying my best
especially leading
it's very selfish
a lot on your performance
and what you're doing
and your training sessions
and things have to be right
for you so you can perform
but at the same time
not that fulfilling anymore
I'm ready to step
into another space
post the Olympics
you're probably right
we probably should be
thinking about ourselves
so for you to get there
what the thoughts are
yeah I really want to step
like I won't deny
that money buys freedom
I come from no money
I want to make sure
I change the stars
I feel like I'm sitting
on a lottery ticket
I'm cashing it in
is going to impact
and then there'll be
a little passion project
financially stable enough
to help young people
is a massive part
something similar
but it'll be more
around combat sport
I'll continue boxing
about head trauma
who box for too long
and they can't talk
and I love talking
and I love thinking
my sporting career
is really important
is way more important
very inspiring as always
creating and sharing
a vision in what you do
you've got a clear goal
around what you want
to achieve in Paris
with your extended team
have you got a clear way
achieve something
creating and sharing it
I think I focused on
the one percentage
throw my left hand
not many people knew this
prior to the Olympics
the last Olympics
and then the last month
I had to get surgery
and you're a southpaw
is your dominant hand
but the last month
I had a cortisone
and I could throw it
so I got my distance
I had to focus on
all the one percenters
to make sure that
outside of training
I'm being the best
because a lot of sport
is it Novak Djokovic
the difference between
the first ranked player
and the hundredth ranked player
is what's between their ears
and be the best version
you also need to prepare
but that also is mindset
I'll just be focusing
on being the best version
what I've been doing
picking up new things
on the way as well
and it makes sense
you're in a weight division
where weight's the same
are very marginal
I mean you want to
train at the highest level
in any sport you do
but the gains are all
really aren't they
when you think about it
when you really think about it
who has a great serve
but then the other guy's
backhand's better
even each other out
of course there is anomalies
like Kelly Slater
or Serena Williams
or people who are
the top of their craft
there is anomalies
but I truly believe
who I'll be competing
will be very very similar
yeah the difference
preparing the way
which makes sense
I've already heard you
talk about it Aaron
we see that's a word
that have success
and through curiosity
they're constantly
how does curiosity
I've always been curious
every young person
experiencing the world
for the first time
and I just remember
like spending hours
sitting on the trampoline
looking up at the sky
or being in the car
is running rampant
and that's curiosity
I believe it's finest
and I don't think
I've ever lost it
about my performance
so I can get better
when you're curious
and you're curious
it takes away judgment
which is the most
because it's like
someone close to me
why they made that decision
or why I made that decision
it takes away the judgment
oh that's interesting
rather than being like
and I have found curiosity
as a better person
rather than judging myself
and that's only been
two or three years
yeah it's brilliant
you listen to a four
we train it out as parents
the way that you have
it's a great skill
you're a great communicator
and we see people
communicating with clarity
on all your platforms
incredibly articulate
is that something
how you get your message across
I've been asked this before
any different right
I don't particularly
like review myself
as a good communicator
I've always just been curious
and I love having
deep conversations
I want to find out the answers
but I hope I never find them
like that's the thing
I'm searching for them
but I hope I never find them
speak the same way
you generally get your words out
it's pretty profound
was there a role model for that
or you were just the third born
and you found your way
I'm really grateful
as we mentioned before
being the youngest
don't get me wrong
they're my parents
they're my parents
they felt like my friends
so they would treat me
from an early age
which I'm really grateful for
they would have conversations
with me that I guess
and like I remember doing stuff
that no 13, 14 year old
but I guess it's because
treated me like an adult
which was really nice
I saw something on Instagram
on little tangents
but I saw something on Instagram
and when I think about it
logically it sounds right
but what this person
when humans go through
there is this natural thing
that happens as animals
that we're supposed to
break away from the tribe
and create something
create the identity
and you probably realise
this when you've got kids
they go through this
keeps people trapped
especially young people
trapped until they're 20
and then they can leave home
there is something
that like at that age
they're supposed to explore
and I'm really grateful
my parents gave me
to step into my identity
build that identity
and treat me like an adult
that thousands of years
and sophistication
and the rites of passage
our indigenous culture
here in Australia
incredibly sophisticated
what secret men's business
and you become a man
and it just causes pain
we try and suppress young
it's hard in your house
stops talking to you
something's wrong
what they should be doing
but we're not educated
been for you Harry
that over the years
so many amazing people
I'm a firm believer
I'm not a religious man
but I guess I surrender
has a plan for me
and that's just like saying
God has a plan for me
I'm a firm believer
that the universe
and offers me things
and just puts things
at the right moment
at the right time
always has a plan for me
and I truly believe
some of the best people
and I've always met them
at the right time too
to form really strong connections
in the boxing community
and outside of the boxing community
with someone before
I never met anyone
who went to university
quarantine during COVID
I'm there for two weeks
he's an absolute legend
quite a successful businessman
who I can go to now
and stuff like that
because as I said
I didn't know anyone
who went to university
when it comes to like
taxes or anything
I didn't know who to ask right
just offers you people
at the right time
and Scott Bradley
was just in quarantine
and you befriended him
because of the time
we were able to train there
and he saw me training every day
this guy looks like
he's an ex-footy player
this guy looks like
he can run just like me
so we started training
which was the best
who's been the greatest leader
oh it's got to be my parents
but rough around the edges
to raise three boys
with not much money
and to now create
a bit of an empire
that they've got now
and I look up to them
which I'm super grateful for
you live your life
how do they cope with
hey your son's wearing nail polish
your son's wearing a dress today
have their moments
of course they do
especially my dad
being a tradesman
he's a roof tiler
and I guess on job sites
in being a tradesman
is probably a little bit different
corporate culture
or something like that
say things to me dad sometimes
I don't know what my dad's beliefs are
as well internally
but I always listen
because I actually think
although I believe
in what I stand for
to changing my mind
in what I believe
I always try and listen
especially when I'm
someone who doesn't have
the same opinion as me
and try and understand
why they have that opinion
and is that opinion
and that's really
humbling sometimes
because sometimes I'm wrong
and often I'm wrong
so I always try and listen
I think it's hard
for my dad sometimes
but at the same time
has always backed me
and always loves me
and he doesn't really care
how I show up in the world
what a great gift to have
when people immediately
go to their parents
it's a gift isn't it
if that's where you think
the best leadership
in your life has come from
we're a bit obsessed
with this world of collaboration
Harry and some work
of joining different people
in a space we call
has there been anyone
jeez I'd love to collaborate
and you've got lots
of great passions
you haven't even spoken
about your poetry
or your professional
your boxing chance
has there been someone
god that's the person
I'd love to collaborate with
you just sparked him
but I've listened to
I would say 15 times
Matthew McConaughey
his book is amazing
and I've learnt so much
listening to that book
and every time I listen to it
I pick up something new
but it's so interesting
we idolise these people
we idolise these people
when you really think
don't quote me on this
but I'm pretty sure
and he's had failed marriages
and stuff like that
is that actually a person
that you want to be like
when you really think about it
it's like absolutely
and he's hard working
and there's things
you can take from it
when you really think about
is that the people
you really want to be like
we idolise these people
what people don't understand
cut ties with people
and stuff like that
and I've felt that myself
but when I think about
I want to be like
I want to be a strong
I want my kids to be around
my grandkids to be around
I don't want to be disconnected
because I've spent
focusing on myself
people who I want to be like
are more so people like that
is the greatest failure
and you're right isn't it
financial success
and someone who's got
tens of millions of dollars
but is there a gap
in all the other things
and your connection
all those other things
if you miss out on that
I'm inspired by you
and everything that you do
we're heading into Paris
on top of the podium
I'm not sure that helps mate
because I just see
the genius in you
it won't be through
a lack of preparation
and the whole country's
but more than that
I think you're showing a way
that is really important
congratulations mate
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it's been a pleasure
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