And I think a lot of those death threats and trickling down into where his kids are feeling
the repercussions is all because of the media circus that happened after that event.
What's up you guys? I'm Rachel Demita and welcome to the Courtside Club where we give you a
courtside view on everything that's going on in the world of sports and entertainment. We are back
with another solo episode. I hope that you guys enjoyed last week's show with Dre where we got
to make his announcement that he will be continuing his basketball career overseas at
least for the next month. And then we did a little spill the tea segment sharing our first date and
how that went. So if you guys haven't checked out that episode in those videos, then make sure that
you go ahead and do that. And with that, let's jump in to our topics of today. So firstly,
actually, while I was getting ready to film today, there was an announcement that
Draymond Green came out with his first podcast episode since he was suspended back in December.
We actually covered this topic a few weeks ago and talked about essentially the overreaction
from the media and saying that how horrible Draymond was and how much he needed help and
it was his mental health. And it just seemed to be an over the top reaction to a play that
was being broadcast this morning. Firstly, I thought Draymond did a great job in this podcast,
articulating his feelings, articulating kind of what he was going through during this time,
articulating how he felt sorry and the people that he was speaking to and what he did to kind
of better himself and to change. The main takeaways that I took from the podcast, one,
he took full accountability, which I thought was pretty awesome. He, he realized that he was in the
wrong for his last play that he had that ended up in the indefinite suspension. And he said that
what he was going to do this time around was not say, sorry, but, and that was something that he
felt like he had are always done in the past as apologize for his actions, but had kind of a
rebuttal to it and not taken full accountability. And I thought that that was something that was
just really brave and commendable for him to do.
So another thing that really stood out and is making its rounds on social media is he,
he opened up about the fact that he was considering retirement and Adam Silver was that person to kind
of talk him out of it.
I had a conversation with Adam Silver, commissioner, our lead. I just told him, Adam,
it's too much for me. Like this is too much. It's all becoming too much for me.
And I'm going to retire. And Adam said, ah, you're making a very rash decision.
And I won't let you do that.
And so he essentially said that he didn't think it was a rash decision. It was just a lot that
he was hearing from the media. He felt overwhelmed and he felt like he kind of failed as being a
leader for not only, you know, himself, his teammate, his family. He said his mother
was receiving death threats. His kids are now at an age where they're in school and they go to
school in the Bay area. So obviously, you know, a lot of those kids are familiar with the warriors
and probably know.
That their dad is Draymond green. And so he felt responsible for just putting his family in a light.
I will say that, like I said in my previous video about this, I think the way that the media reacted
to the situation in general was so over the top. And I think a lot of those death threats and,
and it trickling down into where his kids are feeling the repercussions for his one hard foul
that essentially got him ejected and suspended.
And I think the reason why that happened was because of the media circus that happened after
that event, like making it an insanely big deal and painting Draymond in a light to where he's all
of a sudden a bad person or has all of these issues I felt like was just extremely uncalled
for. And I think without all of that, um, his family and he might not have been put in that
Another thing that he did mention is normally when he is in some sort of scandal, he will kind
of just shut down and he won't listen to different things that the media is saying. He said that he
did the opposite in this situation. And he actually tuned into everything. He listened to all the
podcasts. He was watching ESPN and watching all the sports shows and listening to what everybody
had to say. And he said that he was also overwhelmed by how many people were saying
that he needed help. Um, one.
particular that he called out was Stephen a Smith, because if you guys remember one of the things
that Stephen a Smith said when this all dropped was he, he blamed Steph Curry for not being a
great leader. And in turn, that is why Draymond keeps getting into the situations that he's
getting in. Um, and Draymond said that not only frustrated him, but also crushed him because it,
it seemed like how, you know, he said he spoke to Steph Curry every single day that he's been away
from the team. Steph Curry paints himself in the best light does everything right.
Is not in the tabloids. Doesn't have drama surrounding him. So for Stephen a to kind
of drag Steph Curry into this mix mix and blame him for something that clearly also has nothing
to do with Steph was something that I guess of all the media that he was listening to and that
he heard that was the one that really. Touched him and the, the wrong way and, and really stayed.
Yeah. Like I said, because I'm a fan of Stephen Curry. I've always liked his music. I've always
watched him sing. And I'm just like, do you think this is going to work for you? Like, you know, we're going to do this.
really hurt him. Another thing that he said about Adam Silver, he said, you know, we had a long,
great conversation, very helpful to me, very thankful to play in a league with a commissioner
like Adam, who's more about helping you than hurting you or helping you than punishing you.
And I think that we've seen that over and over with the way that Adam Silver reacts to certain
events and even how he sat down with John Morant when John was going through his different things.
And so I think that the players in general think very highly of Adam Silver, and it's good to hear
that he was there for him. I'm wishing Draymond the best. I think from this, he said it was a
blessing in disguise because he has been going to therapy that he's been doing for however long,
but he's been able to look internally. And I'm also glad that he didn't come out and say that
he had all of these mental.
Health issues or kind of blame it on something that clearly wasn't there. He took full
accountability of how he acts on the court. He plays at the edge of that line, and sometimes
he crosses over. And essentially what I gathered throughout this episode of the Draymond Green
podcast is that he just knows that he can't cross over that line, and he's going to do
better to do. He's going to work harder to not do that, and he's going to keep the fierce mentality
and all that he has on the court, but he's not going to cross over that line.
Cross that line and put himself and his team in a place that jeopardizes their success and
their future. So all in all, congrats to Draymond Green. I want to give him props for coming out
with this episode. I think it's really also cool how athletes can take the media into their own
hands and really use their platform and share their own voice. And he did that in this, and
I'm wishing him the best. I hope he gets back on the court soon. I hope that we can move past
this and get past the drama and the just absurd overreaction that we put on one specific player.
And I'll be interested to see if this also lifts up the Warriors because they're not having
the greatest season. Check out the full podcast if you want to hear it straight from Draymond's
mouth. All right, moving on, let's talk about the hottest story in college basketball right now,
and that is Kaitlyn Clark.
Who recently broke the record. She is the first division one player, and that is male or female
to record 3000 points, 900 assists and 800 rebounds in a career. Obviously, if you guys
are part of the basketball community or a basketball fan at all, then you have heard
about Kaitlyn Clark plays for Iowa and has really just been making a splash across social media,
across this basketball landscape. I feel like she
is the best women's basketball player that we have seen in a long, long, long time. The only
hype that I can imagine that was even close to Kaitlyn's is right now was possibly Diana Taurasi
or Candace Parker when they were at UConn in Tennessee, respectively. It's so cool to see
a player like Kaitlyn who, again, like stays out of the drama,
is such a good basketball player and then just has this confidence about her and to see her
highlights all over like House of Highlights, ESPN, SportsCenter. And we don't see that a lot
in women's basketball. A lot of the times you see a lot of people just talking negatively
about women's basketball. And now you have people going on podcasts asking,
is Kaitlyn Clark good enough to play in the NBA? And that's the actual conversation to be had right
It's proving my point as to how I think the women's basketball game needs to grow and how
it will grow in the future. How I think the women's game will grow is if we are invested
in individual players first. And I think with NIL, that has made it more possible for a lot
of these female athletes. You either have to A, build up your brand,
in your respective sport and beyond, or you have to be so damn good that you cannot be ignored.
And I think Kaitlyn, for example, isn't one who grew her brand on social media and became
this kind of like influencer or brand ambassador and grew it separately. She is in the category
that I think is very rare to get to of being so damn good that you're putting out like Steph Curry
Highlights. We haven't seen that in the women's game. She's doing that. Now on the flip side,
we have a player like Angel Reese, who is also a great basketball player, but she has made a
splash in other ways from doing all of these NIL deals and being friends with celebrities and being
courtside and doing fashion things. And another example we have in another sport is Libby Dunn,
for example. Libby Dunn is not the best gymnast, not even one of the top three gymnasts on LSU's
gymnastics team. However, she has built such a following on TikTok and with Sports Illustrated
Swimsuit and all the different modeling ventures and things that she's doing to where she is a
household name, which in turn brings fans who maybe wouldn't normally watch basketball, but
are so invested in Libby that they want to go watch a gymnastics meet. And I feel like this
is what we need for these girls who are playing in college. Another example is the Cavender Twins.
They have built such a following on LSU's gymnastics team. And I feel like this is what
we need for these girls who are playing in college. And I feel like this is what we need for these girls
who are playing in college. And I feel like this is what we need for these girls who are following on
social media. And both of them did play at Miami, and now one of the twins is going to play at TCU.
I've met them both. They're super sweet girls. They were not superstars on the basketball court.
They're good players, of course, but they're not doing Caitlin Clark-level things, but they built
up their brand separately, which got more eyeballs on them. And I think that that is the key to
making the WNBA more popular, getting more fans involved. Because here's also,
the harsh reality. When you look at men's and women's basketball, the men's game offers a more
dynamic game than the women's, for the pure fact that the men are more athletic. There's a lot more
dunks. It's a quicker game. It's more exciting for maybe the average fan who isn't as knowledgeable
about basketball and just wants to see some cool, flashy thing. When you watch the women's game,
the skill is on par with the men's game, but the athleticism is not. So you're not seeing the
posters. You're not seeing the lobs to dunk. You might see it every once in a while. And when we
do see that, that is something that's blasted all over social media. One thing that girls can do in
their game that is so exciting, and Caitlin Clark does it, is those long three-pointers, those
crossovers that are dropping people to the floor, like breaking people's ankles, fadeaway jumpers.
Those are the kind of skills that the women can do that would be interesting to a general basketball
fan. However, most fans of sports in general are men. They're not as many women who watch sports,
period. So men are going to gravitate toward watching the men play in the NBA, watching the
NFL. I was on a podcast just last year where I was with a group of guys, and I asked them if they
watch women's sports, and they said, yeah. I was like, yeah, I'm going to watch women's sports.
I said, well, what do you watch? Volleyball. I watch volleyball. And I asked, when was the last
time you watched a volleyball game? And they couldn't answer it because men don't actively
watch women's sport except for maybe when the Olympics come around. However, if you are invested
in these individual people and who they are as people, who they are off the court, what their
brand is as a whole, and if you think that they are interesting, you are going to be more inclined
to follow them to where they go. So I think it's a really good question. I think it's a really good
question. I think it's a really exciting thing for Kaitlyn Clark for having built all of this hype
in college. And then when she does make that next leap to the WNBA, hopefully a lot of her fans will
follow along with her. And again, that will elevate the rest of the women in the league.
And I think for any female athlete across any sport, this time of day that you have with NIL
and you have with social media is really giving you so many more opportunities than we've ever had.
And so I think whether you're going into college to only play sports and you don't plan on going
to play professionally, make the most out of your time in college. Make the most money that you can.
Use social media. Figure out what other interests that you have or what makes you unique. Is it
something unique that you do on the basketball court? Is it something that you do on the basketball court?
That you can really highlight? Or is it something unique that you have outside of basketball? Are you
an artist? Are you a musician? Are you into fashion? Are you doing these brand collabs? Do you want to
start your YouTube channel? Do you want to start a podcast and talk to other athletes and get your
voice out there and help that to be known? The opportunities are so endless for women in this
college setting right now because the truth of the matter is going on to that next level in the WNBA,
it's not as lucrative as the
NBA. And I don't see that changing for a while until people start watching. A lot of men want to
throw it back on the women and say, oh, women, if you want women to be paid more than you have to
watch, a lot of women don't give a damn about any sport, girls or boys sports. They just don't give
a damn. You can't force anybody to watch something they don't want to watch. And I think that's the
same on the flip side. I'm not going to try to force a casual basketball player to watch something
they don't want. I'm just going to force them to watch something that they're not even a basketball
fan to if they watch an NBA game. Well, they got to watch a WNBA game too. And I don't think WNBA
players also want that to happen. They want fans to be tuned in who want to see what's going on on
the court who want to see their favorite players playing who want to support their favorite players.
And so I think Caitlin Clark is just such a great addition to women's basketball and to women's
sports in general. And so I excited to see the rest of her career.
a lot of people are also calling for her to do a fifth year and continue making a lot of money
while she has this NIL and all of these opportunities for brand deals. I think that
she will still get lucrative opportunities beyond even playing in the WNBA, but we'll see what she
decides. Cameron Brink is another exciting player. Haley Van Lith, I believe is how you pronounce it,
is another outstanding player. Paige Beckers is another outstanding player who is battling
injuries, but I'm excited to see them. There's a freshman at USC who is already putting up 30-point
games. I'm excited to see her. And what I do hope is that all of these women's basketball players
figure out ways to expand their brand and get people excited about them as a human,
them as a player. And I think in turn with that, they'll follow them to their next venture. And
this will all just be a snowstorm.
effect that elevates professional women's basketball.
What you're talking about is exactly how the NBA grew, right? Like you had,
you know, in the early 80s, the NBA draft and the NBA finals, even they weren't even
televised live, right? But I think in order for the WNBA specifically to grow,
using the fan bases that these players get in college and being able to take those rival
rivalries and translate them to the pros will be really, really important.
helpful. So like, obviously, the biggest example of that is Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, right? Like
they played against each other in college, it was the biggest, most watched anything ever. And then
that rivalry translated to what 12 years in the NBA, a bunch of NBA championships on both sides.
And then they were both able to hand the torch to Michael and he elevated the game to what we all
know it today. But like at the end of the day, when they first came in the league, it wasn't
even a guarantee the NBA was going to exist.
Right now, you know, like, so you need if it's Caitlin, that's awesome. But if it's Caitlin and
Angel, and all these players, if they can take those fan bases, that they that they're able to
grab, and it translates to, you know, a decades long rivalry between two NBA WNBA franchises.
I think that's what it takes. And you're right, like players is what matters. Like,
as much as we all like, you know, whatever team you root for, you root for the you root for the
players on it, right? Like, it's not,
it's not the Lakers. It's like LeBron James and the Lakers.
The WNBA also needs to do better with their marketing, I think, in general,
because I think they've dropped the ball, dropped the ball in a lot of areas,
even with Skylar Diggins, when she was making such a splash. The WNBA was the franchise that
was not capitalizing on that every single brand was capitalizing on Skylar Diggins and everything
that she was doing. And the WNBA wasn't promoting her and leveraging her the way that they should.
I just like remember back in that time. I'm like, why are they not
jumping on this hype that she has? Like, she's a fantastic basketball player. And she's on the
runway at New York Fashion Week. And she's, you know, making this signature shoe with Nike. And
she's signed with Roc Nation and in this music video or whatever. And the WNBA fell short on
that. So I think like, it's, it's old school minded in a lot of ways to the WNBA. And I think
they really need to lean into new media and the new way of how everything is, is like,
going about right now. And I think hopefully some of this to just like silences all of those fans
who are like, Oh, nobody's gonna watch the WNBA unless you lower the rim. Which is like,
I've also already had that argument. It's not going to do anything.
And the fact is, yeah, like, in a weird way, that whole, like, like, making fun of the WNBA thing,
became some sort of meme or some sort of like genre of YouTube video. But the fact is,
the popularity of women's sports, I think has been proven over and over in certain certain sports.
People will happily watch people watch Team USA soccer, women more than they'll watch the guys,
right. And it's for that same reason. It's Oh, we know some of the stars, we know that they that
they have a chance to win it all. Right. I think the reason why and like a good example that sort
of like, I think it's always been easier to market individual sports quicker, because it's easier to
get into it faster, because it's just one person. And it's like, if you watch your first tennis match
ever, and you see, oh, it's, it's, it's a, it's Serena Williams, it's Naomi Osaka. And you just
are told your friend who likes tennis more than you can just tell you, oh, yeah, she's number one
in the world. And as soon as so you're in, you're automatically in, you're like, Oh, cool. She's
number one in the world. That's interesting. Like, who's she playing this girl? She's number three.
And you're in, whereas like, it does take more time to get into like a whole league
and understand, okay, which teams are good, which players are good, what are the rivalries,
you know, to your point earlier is like, it might make sense to keep her in college.
Well, the WBA maybe should make it worth it for some of these stars for at least a handful of
these stars to not stay in college, make it worth it for them to go pro. And whatever that means,
if that means like, helping facilitate marketing deals, or if that
means paying them, whatever the salary cap is allowing them to make a little more
and the hardcore basketball fans are already, they already appreciate the WNBA because they
appreciate basketball, they appreciate good basketball. So they can see with the WNBA that
that's good basketball, the average fan is not going to or the casual fan because
they're looking for dunks. They're looking for posters, they're looking for a vibe at a game,
they don't even care what's going on on the court, they just want to vibe in the stands,
you go to a WNBA game, there's not, it isn't that atmosphere yet. It feels more like you'll get
more of an atmosphere and more of a fun time at a college basketball game than you will a WNBA game,
it feels like it feels very subpar at these games, you know, and sporadically, you'll have like NBA
players courtside at the Sparks game. But, you know, anyway, this is a question on my part,
I actually generally don't know.
But like, so for instance, the NBA is, it's obviously our league here, but everyone in the
world kind of understands that it's the best league in the world, right? So ultimately, if
you're a great player out of Slovenia, you want to come play in the NBA, if you're a great player,
if you're the best guy in China, you want to come to the NBA, it's really the world league, right?
Whereas on the women's side, you do hear about, oh, WNBA players have to go play in Russia or go
play somewhere else to make extra money.
And this and that. And is it even the case right now that if you're the best
female player in Russia, do you have any interest in coming to play in the WNBA?
Yeah, the best players are here. And I think like the rare example with Diana Trasi, when she went
and played in Russia, it was like some billionaire who's like, we just want her here, give her a
million dollars, you know what I mean? And so it was more like those countries just making
exceptions for people that they really want, because they also want to play in the WNBA.
So realize that like having this player was really going to elevate to Jordan's point,
this is going to elevate our team in a massive way, like nobody cares about us. And so I think
to that point, it's the WNBA figuring out ways and maybe it's the NBA getting
involved, or maybe there's workarounds around it to get some of these great players who can be the
next faces of the WNBA and make a splash like they need to get compensated more, or it needs
to be Nike stepping up and giving them.
You know, a $70 million deal like they do LeBron. A lot of these companies will act like they care
about women's sports. And I've been in rooms with a lot of them who really want to act like they
care. They don't care. They really don't care. Because when it comes down to making the content
about it, when it comes down to putting money and investing into it, they don't. So a lot of these
big media companies, a lot of these big brands and shoe brands, they don't care. They want to
look like they care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care.
Because it makes their company look better. But I think it is also that time for some of these
places to really act on how they claim to feel about female athletes.
I do think that from a content standpoint, the WNBA should probably start to
put, you know, start to give access, you know, a peek under the hood. So that again,
your average fan, who your casual fan who just wants to, who isn't even that invested in any
team, you know, they want to see the players outside of just playing basketball, they want to,
they want to see how hard it is. And how big business it is to own a franchise, even even
though a woman's franchise, they want to see how hard it is to be a woman and a professional
athlete. Like, yeah, but I think I put that back on the girls themselves, because it might be more
work. But that's why I'm like stressing, especially the girls in college, like this is
you're gonna have to do more. If you want your voice to be heard, put it out yourself. Like,
Draymond Green created his whole own narrative just today, because he had his platform.
And like, that's what the girls like, they need to do it first. And they need to prove that it's
successful. And that's why I say like, the Cavender twins did a fantastic job with that. Like my
friend Chanae Ogumake is now, you know, hosting on ESPN, and she's creating social content. And
that's somebody who some people might not even know that she's also still a WNBA player. So I
put that responsibility.
back on the girls first, because they can create that story, which then makes it, you have to like
show these big media places, you have to show them that it works first. I think that they have
the opportunity to do that. Everyone has a phone, everyone has a camera, everyone, you know,
buy a mic, just get it done yourself. Vlog it, show us all the things.
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All right, for halftime this week, we are going back to a courtside club classic start bench cut
start bench cut Golden Globes red carpet looks. We got Selena Gomez. We got Taylor Swift and Margot
Robbie. So three of the best looks on the Golden Globes red carpet. Also three of the biggest
female stars of the year this year. This is a very, very, very difficult start bench cut. But
I'm going to start Margot. She came out superstar Barbie and this like all pink and obviously she
never misses. She has not missed the entire last year on the Barbie press tour. And this sparkly
pink dress is just it. She is Barbie. I love it. And I'm also so glad that she won.
Now it's down to Taylor and Selena. I'm going to say something so controversial right now,
but I'm going to bench.
Selena Gomez and her dress there. She was getting so much backlash about this dress and people were
saying they just don't get it. It doesn't look good. And at first I was a little confused by it
because the the bottom of it is kind of at this like weird angle. But the more I looked, the more
I loved it. And red is totally her color. She looks super happy. It looks so flattering on her.
She had a little Marilyn Monroe moment and she looks so beautiful. So I'm benching Selena. This
might be the only time in history. I'm going to bench Selena. I'm going to bench Selena. I'm going to
cut Taylor Swift from anything. And she also looked absolutely gorgeous. And I loved the green
and it's giving reputation snake era for sure. But I just think that Margo and Selena just had
their moment. And I love Taylor to death. And I think she looks absolutely gorgeous. But in this
start bench cut, I'm going to have to cut the mother
Bench cut. Sporting events, the Super Bowl, the NBA finals or the World Series.
Super Bowl is coming up quickly and I am absolutely 100% starting the Super Bowl. The NFL season is
absolutely just crushing it this year. And Super Bowl, I feel like is something everybody tunes
into not only just for the football, but also the halftime performance. I'm benching the NBA
However, I do want to say that there is something going on in the NBA right now. And I feel like a
change needs to be made. I feel like viewership is down. There are no rivalries in the NBA right
now, which is something that is just so crucial to the NBA and just what makes the NBA the NBA.
There are players who are switching teams so often.
And I think that it's hard to just stick with a team and really ride by them when the roster
rosters are changing so frequently. Obviously, the in-season tournament did boost ratings and
boost viewership. But something has to be done for to get fans more engaged in the NBA like they
used to because the NFL is literally wiping the floor with every other sport right now. And I
think it's because fans are able to get involved with their team. There's like one or two teams that are
in the NBA right now. And I think it's because fans are able to get involved with their team. There's
two days or three days a week that people are tuning in to these NFL games. There's not that
many games. Every game matters. And with the NBA, there just seems to be a little bit of a fall off
on the level of competition, the rivalries, the storylines within these teams. And so I'm hoping
that we can get back into that. I don't know the solution for it. But we got to get that spark back
in the NBA and in the fandom that rides with the NBA.
I'm going to cut the
world series. Although it is, although I do actually enjoy baseball and going to baseball
games. It's just not something that I feel like collectively we all tune into. So it's, you know,
it's getting cut, but maybe with that $700 million deal in LA, and if they make it to the world
series, that'll make things more exciting. Start bench cut. Old school basketball edition.
Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, or Timmy Duncan.
This is one of the most difficult start bench cuts, I think ever when it comes to basketball players.
And I feel like every answer is a wrong answer here. I'm going to preface it with that. I'm going
to start Larry Bird. Because I love shooters. I was a shooter. Larry Bird is like the OG shooter,
rival starter. We're going to start Larry Bird. We're going to bench Magic Johnson.
Because Magic is, is just that guy. And I'm going to cut Tim Duncan as painful as that seems.
And I don't even really have a good reason for it because there is no right answer here.
But we're going to start Larry. We're going to, we're going to bench Magic.
And we're cutting Tim Duncan.
I think that is the right answer.
You think that's the right answer?
Yeah. And the reason, the reason for cutting Tim Duncan is that the other two guys were Larry Bird
and Magic Johnson. You weren't going to cut either of them. Like, like, as we mentioned earlier in
the episode, these, these two guys, like arguably saved the whole NBA, right? At one point. And are
just so iconic. And also we're, both of them were more exciting players to watch than, than Tim
Duncan. Like Tim Duncan's a great player. And he's in that conversation of,
of like greatest at his position ever, perhaps. But, but yeah, you can't, you're not going to cut
By the way, so they're more exciting. Larry and Magic bring more of a spark.
Start bench cut, NBA coach edition, Greg Popovich, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson.
This is a tough one and it might be controversial, but I'm going to start Phil Jackson because rings
are rings and he has 11 rings. So he's starting.
I'm going to bench Greg Popovich because if you want to talk about longevity, dynasty,
what any player has said about Popovich and playing under him, I feel like there's never
been anything negative said about coach pop. We're benching Popovich and I'm going to cut
Pat Riley also as controversial as that might sound. And a lot of people will argue that he's,
you know, up there with these two guys, but.
Uh, in this scenario, we're cutting, cutting Pat.
Now it's time to spill the tea with Moby T ASMR edition.
On today's spill the tea segment, we are going to spill the tea on all things,
Pat McAfee, Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy Kimmel, and Jeffrey Epstein.
How does this all go hand in hand? Well, today we're going to find out.
So recently Aaron Rodgers was a guest on the Pat McAfee show and he had a very bold allegation.
That he made against Jimmy Kimmel. So let's check it out.
It has something to do with the Epstein list that came out.
Feels like it's supposed to be coming out soon. A lot of people, including Jimmy Kimmel,
are really hoping that doesn't happen. If that list comes out, I definitely will be popping,
popping some sort of bottle. So obviously Jimmy Kimmel replied to this and he said,
dear asshole, for the record, I've not met, flown with, visited, or had any contact whatsoever with
Nor will you find my name on any list other than the clearly phony nonsense that soft-brained
wackos like yourself can't seem to distinguish from reality. Your reckless words put my family
in danger. Keep it up and we will debate the facts further in court. And he added Aaron Rodgers 12.
I'm not the biggest fan of Jimmy Kimmel. I don't know the guy, but his hosting style to me has
definitely always been like a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a, you know,
a little bit over the top and some things seem disingenuous, but I don't know the guy could
totally be projecting. However, if somebody very publicly on live television alluded to the fact
that I was a pedophile, I might react in the same way that Jimmy Kimmel did if that was obviously
not the truth. Like that's a very bold and reckless allegation to make about somebody.
It's one of the worst things that you can,
say about somebody. And so I don't fault Jimmy Kimmel for responding the way that he did.
These two also have a little bit of beef that goes, that goes way back. There's always been
this little exchange back and forth. Kimmel has made jokes about Aaron Rodgers on his show. And
so I feel like there's just a little bit of tension there. It seems to be politically driven
in a lot of ways as well. So just this morning,
Aaron Rodgers actually came out because he was being asked by the media when he's going to
address this again. Is he going to say anything back to Kimmel? And he said that he will be on
Pat McAfee show tomorrow, which is Tuesday. I'm not sure when this video will go up,
but on Tuesday, he is going to talk about those claims once again. So we will have to tune in
and see what Aaron Rodgers has to say. There's an excitement to expose corruption.
And what I joked about the other day about popping a bottle, there's excitement about
the corruption anywhere gets exposed and people who are accused of these heinous crimes
get exposed, that will be nice. And I said, a lot of people, including Jimmy Kimmel,
are really hoping that doesn't come out. I was referring to the fact that if there is a list,
which again, this hasn't come out yet, this was just a deposition and there are names on it,
then that would be the second time that a soft brain junior college student,
you know, wacko, anti-vax, anti-Semite, purveyor, spreader of misinformation,
conspiracy theorist, MAGA, whatever other things have been said by him and other people in the
media would be right twice. One of the things that I thought, however, was pretty bold that
Pat McAfee claimed on this show was that there is somebody at ESPN who is actively trying to
sabotage his show. And I think that's a pretty bold thing to do. And I think that's a pretty
show. So here is what Pat McAfee said on his broadcast. He said, there are some people
actively trying to sabotage us from within ESPN. More specifically, I believe Norby Williamson
is the guy who is attempting to sabotage our program. So we called this guy out by name.
This was live on ESPN, mind you. So he's calling out somebody from ESPN while live on ESPN.
He said, Pat McAfee said Williamson was the only human that has this
information. He said, Pat McAfee said Williamson was the only human that has this information.
And then somehow that information gets leaked and it's wrong. And then it sets a narrative to what
our show is. This is basically information about the TV ratings of the Pat McAfee show.
And the information that was leaked was Pat McAfee is claiming where the ratings were not
as good as they actually are. So the ratings that were put out to the public are not the
true ratings of the show. ESPN then came out and defended the show. And they said,
ESPN said, no one is more committed to and invested in ESPN success than Norby Williamson.
At the same time, we are thrilled with the multi-platform success that we have seen from
the Pat McAfee show across ESPN. We will handle this matter internally and have no further
comment. McAfee also confessed that he doesn't like Williamson on a personal level. He said,
that guy left me in his office for 45 minutes. No showed me in 2018.
So this guy has zero respect for me. And in return, same thing back to him.
And then he said at the end of his monologue, we have good intentions. Every single time we
come in here, we don't always get it right. But MF has been getting it wrong for a long time
in this specific field, a long, long time. What I do like about Pat McAfee is I think
in general, he's always one to kind of shoot it straight and be honest. And I think a lot of
people were worried when the Pat McAfee show went to ESPN because he is somebody who doesn't
hold his tongue and he's very just upfront and honest. And some might call a loose cannon about
things. They were a little bit worried that going to ESPN, he might be censored a bit.
And we know that being at big media companies, you're not always allowed to say exactly what
you want to say. And if you do say what you want to say, and
the execs at these companies don't like it, there's a chance that your show could get
sabotaged. And I think that's something that he is alluding to here. For myself, I have personal
experience in this realm as well. I have been at multiple places where it's not even feeling
sabotage when I blatantly know that there is sabotage going on. One of those places being
at NBA 2K TV, there was some sabotage going on. And I think that's something that he is alluding
to here. And I think that's something that he is alluding to here. And I think that's something that
there was somebody there who was actively sabotaging our show. And it wasn't in my
immediate group. It wasn't in my, but there was somebody there who at certain times didn't seem
to want our show to do well. And they did things in their control, what they could do to hurt the
success of our show. Another one of that is working for ESPN with Courtside Club. There were things in
the show that were sabotaging our show. And I think that's something that he is alluding to here.
Season one of Courtside Club, there were moments in my show, there were funny things that were
said between myself and guests that were cut by ESPN because it's just how their company runs.
It's something that they didn't want to be shared or something that they didn't, you know, feel fit
in with the ESPN narrative. So it really is hard to be a free thinker, to be creative, to be out
spoken and work at a big media company because you will get reprimanded. You'll get sabotaged.
Your product won't be pushed as much as the things that they want to push, the narrative that they
want to spin. And so if you're not falling in line with some of those things, it doesn't always work
out for you. So I feel for McAfee as somebody who comes from a more digital world where it is his
show and the success of his show.
It's based solely on him. The show was successful before it went to ESPN. Now that it's on ESPN,
it is maintaining its success, but it might be something that is uncomfortable for ESPN.
I will say though, some of these big media companies do need to
change, make changes quickly and adapt to the landscape of media now, because as you're seeing
with so many athletes who have their own platforms, with some of these
smaller media companies, with these YouTube channels that are getting more views, more money,
more numbers than cable television is getting, you have to adapt with the times. So sticking in this
kind of old school mentality, got to stick with the rules, play by the books, don't say anything
too outrageous. Women should just be hosting. They don't need to be giving their opinions.
They'll just be the talking head and let's let...
You know, to older media people argue with each other. Like that time
of media is not... That time is gone. They need to be adapting and signing somebody like Pat McPhee,
I think, was one of the best things that ESPN did as a company. And so I surely hope that their
relationship between Pat McPhee and the company gets smoothed out relatively quickly, because
McPhee can leave and be just as successful. I think ESPN, ESPN has the experience and the
I think ESPN needs him more than he needs them.
But it is something like when you hear the word sabotage, I think you think of like,
oh, they're going to like burn the tapes or something or edit something together to make
it sound like you said something you're not.
And it's like sabotage can be the smallest thing.
Like sabotage can be uploading your video at the wrong time with the wrong title so
that the first, you know, 10 minutes of your video going live, it doesn't get the push
Like sabotage could be accidentally, and I've had this happen before for some of my things,
like if I interview an athlete and you accidentally tag the wrong person in the tweet to promote
the episode or the video, it's like sabotage can be these really small things that people
on the other side of the sabotage are like, oh, honest mistake.
Didn't mean to do that.
And it's like those little things over time build up and it's like the numbers, the numbers
here and there, or like, I don't care.
Like if my show was getting a hundred million views an episode and you put out a report
that said it was getting 85 million views, like that, that actually, that is sabotage.
Some people say, oh, it's not that much different.
It is because you're doing it blatantly.
So I think like some of these things just at the smallest level happen at these companies.
And when also it, when you're the talent who is in front of the camera, any of the
backlash, like a wrong tweet goes up about my show or an episode I did and something
is spelled wrong or the wrong person is tagged.
The backlash doesn't go to the person who is tweeting it.
The backlash goes to me because people think that I was the one who put it up on the company's
page or I was the one who didn't know it.
The talent always gets the most backlash.
Like the producers who are behind the scenes who actually have like such a hand in what's
happening, they're not seeing anything.
So I think like that just like ups the stakes for anybody who is like forward facing in
front of the camera.
Like the sabotage is always going to hit you harder and it can just be the smallest things.
Like I've had tweets, I've had videos uploaded at the wrong times.
Uploaded and then buried immediately by a secondary post when it's like every social media
manager knows that you need to space things out.
So yeah, there's there's there's many ways to sabotage.
And unfortunately, it's something I think that happens more often than not.
So props to Pat McAfee for actually bringing it to light because most people, including myself,
are not brave enough to do that.
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